"FoolsGold" <fg******.com> wrote in message
news:13au8cj7dgk0860@corp.supernews.com...
> FoolsGold wrote:
>> I don't like the idea of my hardware not being fully brutalizing.
>
> I have no idea what the hell happened there. That's suppose to say "fully
> utilized" at the end. :)

Actually, I thought "fully brutalized" was a perfectly apt description.
Here, I thought you were being clever.

Hell, I get angry when my favorite Counter-Strike:Source server goes to some
crappy low res map that lulls my 8800GTX to sleep. If you've got the
horses, why keep 'em locked in the stable?

turk
--
To argue with a man who has renounced his reason is like giving medicine to
the dead.
-- Thomas Paine

____/ pc games on Tuesday 31 July 2007 09:38 : \____

> Linux users CRYING cause they don't have STEAM!
> Simply PATHETIC!
>
> STEAM represents everything Linux fights against
> STEAM is PROPRIETARY, Linux is Open Standards
> STEAM is RESTRICTIVE, Linux gives FREEDOM
> STEAM is EXPENSIVE, Linux is AFFORDABLE
> STEAM is MONOPOLISTIC, Linux gives CHOICE and creates COMPETITION
> STEAM represents DICTATORSHIP, Linux represents true DEMOCRACY
> STEAM is the "Windows", and Valve the "Microsoft" of PC Games and
> yet...
> YET Linux users are CRYING like Babies cause TYRANT RUTHLESS DICTATOR
> VALVE will not make a Linux version of STEAM!
> PATHETIC!
> PATHETIC!
> PATHETIC!
>
> So the conclusion is clear many Linux users are as DUMB, BLIND and
> SHEEP like Windows users are.
>
> Now if STEAM is stopping Linux users from running PC Games under
> Linux, which I find totally expected cause leaving out and restricting
> is precisely what STEAM does best, the only thing to do is join what
> I've been doing since 2004, FIGHT AGAINST TYRANT VALVE and its
> DICTATORSHIP PRISON STEAM!
>
> PS: Now if you will use the fact I'm using Windows against me, let me
> make this clear, my natural and obvious choice would always be Linux I
> just don't use it cause I'm a PC Gamer and Linux is not enough Gaming
> platform for me, so again I ask everyone working in the Linux market
> to once and for all turn it also into a strong viable gaming platform
> so many of us can finally leave Windows and join you, and no I'm not
> talking about emulations I'm talking about a true optimized gaming
> platform, I'm dying to use Linux, I'm just waiting for you guys to
> turn it into a great gaming platform!

A main concern in this revolt had something to do with the fact that Linux
users helped make Steam attractive. As often is the case, contributions come
from the open source community. It's natural to expect some minimal gesture in
return (and no, not a middle finger, but a thumbs up).

--
~~ Best of wishes

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On 2007-07-31, Benjamin Gawert <bgawert@gmx.de> wrote:
> * magnate:
>
>> I'm dangerously close to agreeing with pcgames here. There are
>> hundreds of games which run perfectly under linux,
>
> With the majority of them being just plain crap.
>
>> thousands more
>> which run perfectly in DosBox,
>
> Yeah, right. DOS games.
>
>> and still more which run with varying
>> degrees of success under WINE.
>
> With usually a lot of fiddling and with very limited performance.
>
> Benjamin

Linux from a technical aspect is an excellent gaming platform however
with the exception of a few of the big games like Quake, gaming
under Linux is well behind Windows. As Linux becomes more popular
the game companies will begin writing Linux versions of their catalog.
The potential performance increases under Linux would certainly make
this worthwhile.

On Tue, 31 Jul 2007 01:38:11 -0700, pc games <pcgamer23708******.com>
wrote:

>Linux users CRYING cause they don't have STEAM!
>Simply PATHETIC!

Linux users don't matter because Linux is a dead OS for gaming.
It had a very brief heydey when id, Epic and even Activision offered
serious support, but its now basically an afterthought or not even a
consideration.

Once again, PCGames beats around the bush trying to incite some kind
of controversy over nothing. His interest in Linux is because its
free, just like his ****ty dial-up internet connection that won't
support any downloadable content.

waterskidoo <water.skidoo******.com> writes:

> On 2007-07-31, Benjamin Gawert <bgawert@gmx.de> wrote:
>> * magnate:
>>
>>> I'm dangerously close to agreeing with pcgames here. There are
>>> hundreds of games which run perfectly under linux,
>>
>> With the majority of them being just plain crap.
>>
>>> thousands more
>>> which run perfectly in DosBox,
>>
>> Yeah, right. DOS games.
>>
>>> and still more which run with varying
>>> degrees of success under WINE.
>>
>> With usually a lot of fiddling and with very limited performance.
>>
>> Benjamin
>
> Linux from a technical aspect is an excellent gaming platform however
> with the exception of a few of the big games like Quake, gaming
> under Linux is well behind Windows. As Linux becomes more popular
> the game companies will begin writing Linux versions of their catalog.

I don't think they will. It's a catch 22. People don't want Linux for
home because already it is dead as a gaming platform.

> The potential performance increases under Linux would certainly make
> this worthwhile.

What are these potential performance increases of which you speak?

The last benchmarks I saw, saw DirectX under XP crucifying OpenGL under
Linux in the framerate stakes. Which is not surprising since the games
companies put a lot more effort into optimising Dx support structures
than they for OpenGL since that's where the money is.

A modern game takes 10s if not hundreds of people to design, write, QA,
localise and distribute. There is simply no market for games by current
Linux users unfortunately.

On Jul 31, 11:24 am, waterskidoo <water.ski...******.com> wrote:
> Linux from a technical aspect is an excellent gaming platform however
> with the exception of a few of the big games like Quake, gaming
> under Linux is well behind Windows. As Linux becomes more popular
> the game companies will begin writing Linux versions of their catalog.
> The potential performance increases under Linux would certainly make
> this worthwhile.

The gaming companies don't care a bit about that. They look at one
thing, how many copies am I going to sell (i.e., how much money will I
rake in) compared to the cost of producing those copies? Right now
that is marginal at best for games for Macs and non-existant for
Linux. And actually, the action right now is in console games because
the money is better.

On 31 Jul, 19:58, WDS <B...@seurer.net> wrote:
> On Jul 31, 11:24 am, waterskidoo <water.ski...******.com> wrote:
>
> > Linux from a technical aspect is an excellent gaming platform however
> > with the exception of a few of the big games like Quake, gaming
> > under Linux is well behind Windows. As Linux becomes more popular
> > the game companies will begin writing Linux versions of their catalog.
> > The potential performance increases under Linux would certainly make
> > this worthwhile.
>
> The gaming companies don't care a bit about that. They look at one
> thing, how many copies am I going to sell (i.e., how much money will I
> rake in) compared to the cost of producing those copies? Right now
> that is marginal at best for games for Macs and non-existant for
> Linux. And actually, the action right now is in console games because
> the money is better.

Yes... Linux home users generally use software that's free (as in
beer), which is no good to the games software manufacturers. And, as
has been pointed out many times before (but never by me, until now),
hardcore gamers generally use consoles for gaming.

Please not my use of the word "generally" in the above paragraph. I
am wildly and dangerously generalising, and will have someone's eye
out with that thing if I'm not careful*

* paraphrasing King Harold's last words at Hastings.

On Tue, 31 Jul 2007 01:38:11 -0700, pc games wrote:

> I'm dying to use Linux, I'm just waiting for you guys to turn it into a
> great gaming platform!

My Linux systems make money, not polygons.

Go buy a PS2.

On Tue, 31 Jul 2007 14:51:59 -0500, Ivan Marsh <annoyed@you.now>
wrote:

>My Linux systems make money, not polygons.

Counterfieting? What software recreates the best $100's?

Benjamin Gawert wrote:

>> and still more which run with varying
>> degrees of success under WINE.
>
> With usually a lot of fiddling and with very limited performance.


It's funny to see the astonished looks on the faces of Windows users when
you show them multiple instances of their favourite games all running
simultaneously on the sides of a 3D cube, when their over-priced, over
specified Windows computer can only (just) manage one instance!

It's funny how each newer, shinier, "better" version of Windows
actually /worsens, the user's experience!

C.

Ivan Marsh wrote:

> On Tue, 31 Jul 2007 01:38:11 -0700, pc games wrote:
>
>> I'm dying to use Linux, I'm just waiting for you guys to turn it into a
>> great gaming platform!
>
> My Linux systems make money, not polygons.
>
> Go buy a PS2.

*Well* *said!*

C.

On 2007-07-31, WDS <Bill@seurer.net> wrote:
>
> The gaming companies don't care a bit about that. They look at one
> thing, how many copies am I going to sell (i.e., how much money will I
> rake in) compared to the cost of producing those copies? Right now
> that is marginal at best for games for Macs and non-existant for
> Linux. And actually, the action right now is in console games because
> the money is better.

Sad but true. I pretty much agree with you and the other person
who says it's a catch-22.

On Tue, 31 Jul 2007 01:38:11 -0700, pc games wrote:

> Linux users CRYING cause they don't have STEAM!
> Simply PATHETIC!
>
> STEAM represents everything Linux fights against
> STEAM is PROPRIETARY, Linux is Open Standards
> STEAM is RESTRICTIVE, Linux gives FREEDOM
> STEAM is EXPENSIVE, Linux is AFFORDABLE
> STEAM is MONOPOLISTIC, Linux gives CHOICE and creates COMPETITION
> STEAM represents DICTATORSHIP, Linux represents true DEMOCRACY
> STEAM is the "Windows", and Valve the "Microsoft" of PC Games and
> yet...
> YET Linux users are CRYING like Babies cause TYRANT RUTHLESS DICTATOR
> VALVE will not make a Linux version of STEAM!
> PATHETIC!
> PATHETIC!
> PATHETIC!
>
> So the conclusion is clear many Linux users are as DUMB, BLIND and
> SHEEP like Windows users are.
>
> Now if STEAM is stopping Linux users from running PC Games under
> Linux, which I find totally expected cause leaving out and restricting
> is precisely what STEAM does best, the only thing to do is join what
> I've been doing since 2004, FIGHT AGAINST TYRANT VALVE and its
> DICTATORSHIP PRISON STEAM!
>
> PS: Now if you will use the fact I'm using Windows against me, let me
> make this clear, my natural and obvious choice would always be Linux I
> just don't use it cause I'm a PC Gamer and Linux is not enough Gaming
> platform for me, so again I ask everyone working in the Linux market
> to once and for all turn it also into a strong viable gaming platform
> so many of us can finally leave Windows and join you, and no I'm not
> talking about emulations I'm talking about a true optimized gaming
> platform, I'm dying to use Linux, I'm just waiting for you guys to
> turn it into a great gaming platform!

Strange. I don't reacll crying for 'steam' at all. In fact, I don't have
the foggiest idea in the world what it is, and, quite frankly, I don't
give a ****.

On Tue, 31 Jul 2007 16:06:42 -0400, Tim O wrote:

> On Tue, 31 Jul 2007 14:51:59 -0500, Ivan Marsh <annoyed@you.now>
> wrote:
>
>>My Linux systems make money, not polygons.
>
> Counterfieting? What software recreates the best $100's?

'Bout Da' Benjamins 2.5

"Hadron" <hadronquark@googlemail.com> wrote in message
news:qhps28e7rp.fsf@googlemail.com...
| waterskidoo <water.skidoo******.com> writes:
|

<snip>

|
| What are these potential performance increases of which you speak?
|
| The last benchmarks I saw, saw DirectX under XP crucifying OpenGL under
| Linux in the framerate stakes. Which is not surprising since the games
| companies put a lot more effort into optimising Dx support structures
| than they for OpenGL since that's where the money is.
|

And the last benchmarks I saw showed OpenGL under Linux with some of the new
unified shader video cards brutalizing DX10 under Vista... But hell, that's
not hard, most games run faster under XP than Vista (unless of course you
are using proprietary Vista hardware/software combinations not available in
XP, yah I know, extinguish the flames before they start). The point is that
MS is releasing bloatware OS packages that keep getting more and more
bloated, while Linux keeps the overhead minimized...

But most people will never know or care because MS has done a great job of
cornering the market when it comes to a PC operating system, which means
that if you want to make money you program towards the platforms with the
most numbers - consoles and Windows. Can't see Linux ever getting through
the chokehold MS has on the market and getting out there as a true
mainstream platform without something pushing it there... A killer Linux
app, or something that would give it some appeal other than the "fun for the
enthusiast or tinkerer" moniker that it gets stuck with now.

It's just too bad... There is so much potential lurking there in Linux,
just waiting to be tapped.

CoinSpin