On May 23, 12:47 am, Christopher Hunter
<chrisehun...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
> Richard Herb wrote:
> > command line is from the 1960's
>
> /If,/ as you claim, you really are a "Network Administrator", you can't do
> your job properly /even/ /in/ /Windows/ without the Command Line that you
> deride so much.
>
> If you want to make /any/ attempt to make your network even slightly secure,
> you will have to edit the Windows Registry. The tools to do this *use*
> *the* *Command* *Line* - if you don't do this, your network will be less
> secure than even most other Windows ones.

no, windows update (free) , trend micro, and Internet Security and
Acceleration Server, along with Group Policy
all handle security, and ALL are GUI based
>
> If you want to issue a "ping", you have to use the Command Line.

this is true, and I do resort to this archaic "command line" fir this,
even though I think there are GUI based PING, I just havent found any
that are 32 (or 64) bit Microsoft logo compliant
>
> If you want to check what your network interfaces are connected to, and
> their addresses, you have to use *ipconfig/all* (a /very/ Unix
> command) /from/ /the/ /Command/ /Line!/

ipconfig was replaced years ago, by wntipcfg (free) and GUI based
>
> Seems that Windows is /so/ old fashioned - you still have to *use* *the*
> *Command* *Line* for most important tasks.
>
> Run along now and update your "virus definitions"!
>
> C.

>
> > If you want to make /any/ attempt to make your network even slightly secure,
> > you will have to edit the Windows Registry. The tools to do this *use*
> > *the* *Command* *Line* - if you don't do this, your network will be less
> > secure than even most other Windows ones.

I think I used tweakUI to edit a registry, which is GUI based,
but it doesnt come up too often any more, now that group policy took
over
>

On May 19, 3:07 am, "J.O. Aho" <u...@example.net> wrote:
> Richard Herb wrote:
> > 1960's command line
> > 1970's microsft bought qDos and released it as their own made product
> > 1980's Amiga was the coolest PC
> > 2020 microsoft tries to sue China for using Linux only

Lenovo makes PC's with Windows
and Microsoft WANTS LINUX to have greater market share, so that when
the democrats get in office in 2008, they dont start that antitrust
crap again
>
> 1769 The car
> 2007 Still nothing to replace the car

its called a plane!
>
> 1971 VHS
> 1976 BetaMax
> 2007 VHS is the Video cassette system used, even if BetaMax is supperior


no one uses either of those any more

HD DVR rules!

nix is for boomers!

On May 19, 9:16 pm, "s. keeling" <keel...@spots.ab.ca> wrote:
> Chris F.A. Johnson <cfajohn...******.com>:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On 2007-05-19, s. keeling wrote:
> > > Richard Herb <ViennaRu...******.com>:
>
> > >> IE7 meets all Microsoft standards for Windows logo compliancy.
>
> > >> oh, but I suppose you are talking about those european retards, the
> > >> w3c
>
> > >> I do not recognize the w3c to be ANY authority on "standards"
>
> > >> Richard Herb MCSE
>
> > > This is a picture perfect, classic example of why I've always said I
> > > wouldn't be caught dead with MCSE after my name. Thank you *very*
>
> > What's wrong with being a Minesweeper Consultant and Solitaire
> > Expert?
>
> ITYM "Must Call Someone Else" :-)
>
> The web was invented at CERN. ****, those fscking Europeans! :-P
>
> "Microsoft standards ..." WTF?!?
>
> Any cert process that leaves one that ignorant is patently worthless.
> I'm glad he doesn't feel too bad about all the money he WASTED getting
> it. Or perhaps he does. Anyone paying $30,000/a. for ACCPAC licences
> KNOWS it's a great system.
>
> I wonder if he's ever heard of the fine acronym "RFC".

it sounds vaguley familiar, but no, not really

and I didnt pay for much

I got about $20,000 worth of pirated CBT's from irc.crucial-x.net #cx-
allcbts

I even have linux ones, just waiting for linux to be pure GUI, with no
bizarre commands

why did they have to make all the commands different anyways? suid?
grep? wtf

On Wed, 23 May 2007 04:47:01 +0000, Christopher Hunter wrote:

>> command line is from the 1960's

> /If,/ as you claim, you really are a "Network Administrator", you can't do
> your job properly /even/ /in/ /Windows/ without the Command Line that you
> deride so much.

Why do you idiots *continue* to feed this moronic troll?

He's playing you all like a cheap fiddle. Bugger off to all of ya's.


--
"Ubuntu" -- an African word, meaning "Slackware is too hard for me".

Richard Herb wrote:

> I even have linux ones, just waiting for linux to be pure GUI, with no
> bizarre commands

It's bizarre to not have a shell and still you can't do any pipeing with GUI
tools, had to spend half my work day helping all microsoft users with tasks
that you can't do in microsoft, but you with a simple grep and sed fixes it in
notime.


> why did they have to make all the commands different anyways? suid?
> grep? wtf

You see, microsoft suxx, as they had to rename everything.


--

//Aho

> MS patches my PC ( and IE7) for anything the hackers can throw at it,
> every night at 3am
> even pirated copies, run automatic windows update!

Image the same thing happened to your car : every day just before
going to work, there's the daily mechanics of The Company passing
along.

You just got in your car and started your engine, but then he tells
you that you should wait a while, because there's 'something strange'
to your car and it may cause you trouble today. All concerned about
the nasty things that could happen to you on the road today, you make
sure your car won't fail. You indeed thought that the brakes were
indeed braking real slow these last few days. So you let him do his
thing. He opens the hood and says he'll be doing 'something'. Sure you
trust him, he's from The Company after all, isn't he. And who knows,
maybe he'll finally fix the oil leak today.

Then he changes 'something' under the hood (you don't know exactly
what, but who cares, you want a better safety than you currently
have). After 'some' time he says he's ready. He claims you're ready to
go, but you should first get out of your car and close it before re-
opening it and getting back in. If you don't, you know from experience
he'll be asking this same thing all day long, and experience has shown
this is too ennoying. So you do as he says.

Rumour has it that The Company's mechanic does the same thing even
with stolen cars (but you're not a thief, so you don't care too much
about knowing this).

Despite this daily visit, you still think your car doesn't brake as
safely as another car you own (from an unknown brand, without any
brand's logo). 'Owning' it is still a strange word, because you got
this car for free from a friend of yours. But there's something
strange to that car : it doesn't send along a mechanics daily.

So you somehow rather drive your free (no-brand, no-brand logo, not
leaking oil daily, well braking) car because it is well designed from
the start.

Hope I well explained to everyone on this list how big an idiot an
idiot can be.

Richard Herb wrote:
<snip>

> why did they have to make all the commands different anyways? suid?
> grep? wtf

If all the commands were the same how would you know which
you are using?


--
sk8-365

"sk8-365" illuminated the devils arse on Wed, 23 May 2007 14:39:44
-0600 by typing:

> > why did they have to make all the commands different anyways? suid?
> > grep? wtf
>
> If all the commands were the same how would you know which
> you are using?

Good question. Perhaps Microsoft employ some sort of ESP. Just a guess.

--
Moog

http://www.last.fm/user/efcmoog/
"Liquor in the Front. Poker in the Rear"

Richard Herb wrote:

> no, windows update (free)

Windows Update: issues bizarre patches that seldom work as advertised and
often cause more problems than they solve.

> , trend micro,

An "anti-virus" company that produce useless /reactive/ software. Anything
newer than their latest definitions can easily wreak havoc with your silly
"secure" Windows system. It's trivial to write malware for the spaghetti
code that is Windows, and /there's/ /nothing/ /Microsoft/ /can/ /do/
about/ /it!/

> and Internet Security

Don't make me laugh - it's easy to break into /any/ Windows box locally or
remotely, and Windows users are still so stupid that they'll execute any
"free gift" they're offered. Even the Windows e-mail clients
will /execute/ downloaded attachments without intervention from the
(l)user.

> and
> Acceleration Server,

Whatever /that/ is!

> along with Group Policy
> all handle security, and ALL are GUI based

And *all* are useless against determined attack. The /only/ way you can
come close to "locking down" Windows is to either use the Command Line to
manipulate the poorly constructed and poorly written Registry, or unplug it
from the outside world, and use it as a standalone system - not very good
in a Unix-networked world!

>> If you want to issue a "ping", you have to use the Command Line.
>
> this is true, and I do resort to this archaic "command line" fir this,
> even though I think there are GUI based PING, I just havent found any
> that are 32 (or 64) bit Microsoft logo compliant

There probably aren't any. MS probably think that "ping" is "archaic" and
therefore not worthy of a GUI tool!

>> If you want to check what your network interfaces are connected to, and
>> their addresses, you have to use *ipconfig/all* (a /very/ Unix
>> command) /from/ /the/ /Command/ /Line!/
>
> ipconfig was replaced years ago, by wntipcfg (free) and GUI based

Doesn't work in many cases - you still have to resort to the Command Line to
really get anything done!

Isn't it time you ran an "anti-virus" scan?

C.

Richard Herb wrote:

>
>>
>> > If you want to make /any/ attempt to make your network even slightly
>> > secure,
>> > you will have to edit the Windows Registry. The tools to do this *use*
>> > *the* *Command* *Line* - if you don't do this, your network will be
>> > less secure than even most other Windows ones.
>
> I think I used tweakUI to edit a registry, which is GUI based,
> but it doesnt come up too often any more, now that group policy took
> over

You obviously have no concept of /real/ security! Group Policies are a
crude attempt to allow users particular permissions. It doesn't take into
account that any trivial piece of malware can get whatever level of
Administrative right it wants and then do whatever its' designer chooses.
There is *no* security possible in Windows, particularly when the machine
is connected to the internet.

Isn't it time for the twentieth reboot of the day?

C.

Moog said:
> "sk8-365" illuminated the devils arse on Wed, 23 May 2007 14:39:44
> -0600 by typing:
>
>> > why did they have to make all the commands different anyways? suid?
>> > grep? wtf
>>
>> If all the commands were the same how would you know which
>> you are using?
>
> Good question. Perhaps Microsoft employ some sort of ESP. Just a guess.
>

Then, after reading his line again with suid, grep, wtf, I had to
find out what wtf meant:

man wtf
No manual entry for wtf

O.K., so is wtf command something Microsoft users execute daily?

--
sk8-365

no, i mean different than DOS

dir for directory - that makes sense

DOS is from before I was born

and I dont even like DOS, now I look at linix, and there's a whole
crapload of new commands to learn

screw that, command line is for programmers

I am from the GUI generation

command line is from the 1960's!!!

In <d3rei4-2sp.ln1@sk8r.hosts.bc1.bresnan.net>, on Wed, 23 May 2007
16:16:45 -0600, sk8-365 wrote:

> Then, after reading his line again with suid, grep, wtf, I had to
> find out what wtf meant:
>
> man wtf
> No manual entry for wtf
>
> O.K., so is wtf command something Microsoft users execute daily?

-bash-2.05b$ wtf
usage: wtf [-f dbfile] [is] <acronym>

-bash-2.05b$ wtf wtf
WTF: {what,where,who,why} the ****

Richard Herb wrote:
> no, i mean different than DOS

The right question had been, "wtf did dos not follow the standard?"


> DOS is from before I was born

So was the wheel.


> and I dont even like DOS, now I look at linix, and there's a whole
> crapload of new commands to learn

You don't have to, there are loads of people who only uses the mouse and point
and click on icons and menu entires to start programs. Not sure how things are
in linix and if you have linix troubles, maybe it would be better to find a
linix newsgroup to get the proper help or stick to use qDos.


> screw that, command line is for programmers

Shell is for users who wants to do things faster and easier, it's not for
those who thinks that the mouse is the only tool to use to communicate with
the computer.


> I am from the GUI generation

No, you aren't you are the from the s****d generation, just try to pipe
information between two of your programs and see how s****d you are.


--

//Aho