My answer to you is a big No

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"98 Guy" <98@Guy.com> wrote in message news:4ADD29A1.2F2B15B9@Guy.com...
> It has been mentioned in other forums that the files contained in
> MS09-054 (Cumulative security update for Internet Explorer) for win-2K
> can be used on win-98 systems.
>
> A certain well-known kook who harasses a certain win-98 newsgroup has
> made the following claims regarding the use of these win-2k files on
> win-98. Please post your comments regarding the following:
>
> -------------
> ... you are once again attempting to address it as IF IT RELATES TO
> A SINGLE FILE. It does not. There is a relational functioning
> *between* *ALL of the files* necessary for the *specific* function,
> e.g., web browsing.
>
> In this case its IE, NOTE however, IE was *NEVER* properly ported
> to work within Win9X, *it was DESIGNED for the NTs* [the transitional
> browser Microsoft ALWAYS produces prior to releasing/for a new OS].
>
> Since DAY ONE there have been missing function calls in 9X within
> IE6 *WHICH ARE NECESSARY FOR FULL SECURITY FUNCTIONING*. One of the
> KEY elements is the user environment [usrenv] which INCLUDES the
> security hooks to other NT ONLY security functions ONLY available
> in those environments. The errors are REPRESSED in 9X, however
> they DO EXIST.
>
> IF you would care to review some of this forum's OLD history, you
> would find lengthy discussions on IE and its files, AND you would
> find some of 98 Guy's prior attempts [starting in 2006] to apprise
> of installable W2K or XP files into 9X for IE AND lengthy
> discussions of WHY those don't work properly, AND WHY they provide
> nothing more than a false sense of security and MAY install even
> more dangerous vulnerabilities than exist in an EOL IE.
>
> IF YOU want to test these, feel free to do so, however, unless
> you TEST them with SOFTWARE AND SPECIFIC VULNERABILITIES TESTS
> you have done nothing but installed some files which may cause
> other issues...
> ----------------
>
> The files in question are:
>
> browseui.dll cdfview.dll danim.dll dxtmsft.dll dxtrans.dll
> iepeers.dll inseng.dll jsproxy.dll mshtml.dll msrating.dll
> mstime.dll pngfilt.dll shdocvw.dll shlwapi.dll urlmon.dll
> wininet.dll
>
> But possibly not the directx files danim.dll, dxtrans.dll and
> dxtmsft.dll.
>
> I particularly would like to see comments about this statement:
>
> --------------
> NOTE however, IE was *NEVER* properly ported to work within
> Win9X, *it was DESIGNED for the NTs* [the transitional browser
> Microsoft ALWAYS produces prior to releasing/for a new OS].
> -------------
>
> The author of those statements will not elaborate or give anything
> resembling a coherent answer or explanation to back up his claims nor
> reference any published web-source.

cf.
http://groups.google.com/group/micro...a23b4d29b3a4a3
(and surpress your gag reflex)

PS: Please don't feed the trolls...especially /that/ troll.


Peter Foldes wrote:
> My answer to you is a big No
>
>
> "98 Guy" <98@Guy.com> wrote in message news:4ADD29A1.2F2B15B9@Guy.com...
>> It has been mentioned in other forums that the files contained in
>> MS09-054 (Cumulative security update for Internet Explorer) for win-2K
>> can be used on win-98 systems.
>>
>> A certain well-known kook who harasses a certain win-98 newsgroup has
>> made the following claims regarding the use of these win-2k files on
>> win-98. Please post your comments regarding the following:
>>
>> -------------
>> ... you are once again attempting to address it as IF IT RELATES TO
>> A SINGLE FILE. It does not. There is a relational functioning
>> *between* *ALL of the files* necessary for the *specific* function,
>> e.g., web browsing.
>>
>> In this case its IE, NOTE however, IE was *NEVER* properly ported
>> to work within Win9X, *it was DESIGNED for the NTs* [the transitional
>> browser Microsoft ALWAYS produces prior to releasing/for a new OS].
>>
>> Since DAY ONE there have been missing function calls in 9X within
>> IE6 *WHICH ARE NECESSARY FOR FULL SECURITY FUNCTIONING*. One of the
>> KEY elements is the user environment [usrenv] which INCLUDES the
>> security hooks to other NT ONLY security functions ONLY available
>> in those environments. The errors are REPRESSED in 9X, however
>> they DO EXIST.
>>
>> IF you would care to review some of this forum's OLD history, you
>> would find lengthy discussions on IE and its files, AND you would
>> find some of 98 Guy's prior attempts [starting in 2006] to apprise
>> of installable W2K or XP files into 9X for IE AND lengthy
>> discussions of WHY those don't work properly, AND WHY they provide
>> nothing more than a false sense of security and MAY install even
>> more dangerous vulnerabilities than exist in an EOL IE.
>>
>> IF YOU want to test these, feel free to do so, however, unless
>> you TEST them with SOFTWARE AND SPECIFIC VULNERABILITIES TESTS
>> you have done nothing but installed some files which may cause
>> other issues...
>> ----------------
>>
>> The files in question are:
>>
>> browseui.dll cdfview.dll danim.dll dxtmsft.dll dxtrans.dll
>> iepeers.dll inseng.dll jsproxy.dll mshtml.dll msrating.dll
>> mstime.dll pngfilt.dll shdocvw.dll shlwapi.dll urlmon.dll
>> wininet.dll
>>
>> But possibly not the directx files danim.dll, dxtrans.dll and
>> dxtmsft.dll.
>>
>> I particularly would like to see comments about this statement:
>>
>> --------------
>> NOTE however, IE was *NEVER* properly ported to work within
>> Win9X, *it was DESIGNED for the NTs* [the transitional browser
>> Microsoft ALWAYS produces prior to releasing/for a new OS].
>> -------------
>>
>> The author of those statements will not elaborate or give anything
>> resembling a coherent answer or explanation to back up his claims nor
>> reference any published web-source.

98 Guy
It look like they would like Win98 to give up Ghost and Die.
They need to put all the win98 Updates on a CD to Sell, I would Buy One,
would you Guy?
Make BILL same $$$$$$.$$

We Do NOT NEED THEIR answer or Help.
For they not knowledge of Making Money For BILL.
Long Live WebTV for (Window 98) GUY!!!

Here and Win98 up and running
http://www.minpin.ath.cx is Power by window 98

Maybe Windows 7 will be the one that anybody don't care about....

Long live win98; For win95 was a toy, But windows 98 was and is a man tool.

Just make us a CD of the UPDATES we Buy it.

For We do need new UPDATE just the one Microsoft have now for Win 98 will
be good

Are Do Make SUE come up. For that Girl Will not be a good Woman to
See!!!!!




"N. Miller" <anonymous@msnews.aosake.net> wrote in message
news:19l5m47bm3env$.dlg@msnews.aosake.net...
> On Wed, 21 Oct 2009 17:45:31 -0400, 98 Guy wrote:
>
>> Tom Willett wrote:
>
>>>> From the responses so far, I would say that anybody who can
>>>> answer is disinclined from offering an answer; and the rest
>>>> of us plain don't know.
>
>>> Or just plain don't care.
>
>> No, it's probably that there's nobody with sufficient knowledge of IE
>> that can answer the question.
>
>> Anyone that could actually speak to the question would most likely not
>> hold back their knowledge and expertise. The rest of you klowns would
>> just rather think that it's a question that nobody cares about
>> answering, when you all have really almost no technical knowledge of IE
>> or how it interacts with the operating system.
>>
>> At least, not enough knowledge to speak to this comment and give an
>> opinion ...
>
> Well, this "klown" hasn't used a Windows 9x system in years. It has been
> left in the dust, as far as I am concerned; ancient history. So why should
> I
> care?
>
> And anybody who actually knows might just feel the same way. I don't know
> the specifics of using Gatling's machine gun, and I don't care to know.
> Most
> important knowledge, in my day, was the specifics of using the M60; but
> that
> has been superseded, for the most part, today.
>
> And I don't know the specifics of using Colt's Dragoon pistol. I know it
> is
> a cap-and-ball pistol, loaded from the front end of the cylinders, unlike
> the later Colt's SAA (breech loading, using self-contained metallic
> cartridges).
>
> There is a lot of archaic hardware out there, knowledge of which has
> become
> specialized to some degree; and useless to some degree. If nobody knows,
> or
> nobody who does is willing to share, what are you going to do? Pitch a
> fit?
> Oh, wail, you're already doing that! ;)
>
> --
> Norman
> ~Oh Lord, why have you come
> ~To Konnyu, with the Lion and the Drum

> "98 Guy" <98@Guy.com> wrote in message
> news:4ADD29A1.2F2B15B9@Guy.com...
> It has been mentioned in other forums that the files contained in
> MS09-054 (Cumulative security update for Internet Explorer) for win-2K
> can be used on win-98 systems.

Hi "98 Guy",

What version of Internet Explorer are you using on your Win98 system?

Microsoft Security Bulletin MS09-054 - Critical
Cumulative Security Update for Internet Explorer (974455)
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/sec.../ms09-054.mspx

Here are some versions supported in that update:

Internet Explorer 5.01 with SP 4 for Windows 2000
Internet Explorer 6 with SP1 for Windows 2000
Internet Explorer 6 on all supported 32-bit versions of Windows XP
Internet Explorer 6 with SP 1 on all supported versions of Windows XP
Internet Explorer 7 on all supported 32-bit versions of Windows XP
Internet Explorer 8 on all supported 32-bit versions of Windows XP

MS09-054 Cumulative security update for Internet Explorer
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/974455

All of those updates appear to be designed for NT-based operating systems.
Of course you can find out by trying the update and see if it freaks out
your computer, (and you with it, if you can't uninstall it. :)

> A certain well-known kook who harasses a certain win-98 newsgroup has
> made the following claims regarding the use of these win-2k files on
> win-98. Please post your comments regarding the following:
>
> -------------
> ... you are once again attempting to address it as IF IT RELATES TO
> A SINGLE FILE. It does not. There is a relational functioning
> *between* *ALL of the files* necessary for the *specific* function,
> e.g., web browsing.
>
> In this case its IE, NOTE however, IE was *NEVER* properly ported
> to work within Win9X, *it was DESIGNED for the NTs* [the transitional
> browser Microsoft ALWAYS produces prior to releasing/for a new OS].

Download details - Internet Explorer 6 Service Pack 1
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/d...displaylang=en

[begin quote:]
Internet Explorer 6 SP1, the latest version of Internet Explorer for users
NOT running Windows XP, provides a flexible and reliable browsing
experience with enhanced Web privacy features for all Windows users. This
version includes a full installation of the Web browser and the most
recent version of Outlook Express, the e-mail client that is included with
Internet Explorer.

System Requirements
Supported Operating Systems: Windows 2000; Windows 98; Windows ME;
Windows NT; Windows XP Service Pack 1
[:end quote]

According to the above, IE6-SP1 was designed for other OS's besides NT's.


> Since DAY ONE there have been missing function calls in 9X within
> IE6 *WHICH ARE NECESSARY FOR FULL SECURITY FUNCTIONING*. One of the
> KEY elements is the user environment [usrenv] which INCLUDES the
> security hooks to other NT ONLY security functions ONLY available
> in those environments. The errors are REPRESSED in 9X, however
> they DO EXIST.

If that person wants to argue that NT computers have greater security than
Win9x machines, well, yes, but more security is needed because of greater
capability of remote code execution that is not present in 9x machines.

> IF you would care to review some of this forum's OLD history, you
> would find lengthy discussions on IE and its files, AND you would
> find some of 98 Guy's prior attempts [starting in 2006] to apprise
> of installable W2K or XP files into 9X for IE AND lengthy
> discussions of WHY those don't work properly, AND WHY they provide
> nothing more than a false sense of security and MAY install even
> more dangerous vulnerabilities than exist in an EOL IE.
>
> IF YOU want to test these, feel free to do so, however, unless
> you TEST them with SOFTWARE AND SPECIFIC VULNERABILITIES TESTS
> you have done nothing but installed some files which may cause
> other issues...
> ----------------

That last part is a possibility, in the case of attempting to use updates
designed for NT computers on a non NT computer. But Win98 does not have the
additional capabilities of NT's, and therefore would have no need of any
patches to vulnerabilities of capabilities that are not in Win98.

> I particularly would like to see comments about this statement:
>
> --------------
> NOTE however, IE was *NEVER* properly ported to work within
> Win9X, *it was DESIGNED for the NTs* [the transitional browser
> Microsoft ALWAYS produces prior to releasing/for a new OS].
> -------------
>
> The author of those statements will not elaborate or give anything
> resembling a coherent answer or explanation to back up his claims nor
> reference any published web-source.

As noted above in the cited Microsoft website, IE6-SP1 was indeed designed
for Win98/ME/2000 as well as NT's and early XP's. The IE installation
installs components according to the configuration of the particular OS.

As for whether the latest security update can be installed on Win98, well,
the proof is in the pudding. You could try it and see. The installation
program should check the configuration of the computer and halt the
installation if it determines the computer is incompatible with the update,
(but don't bet your house on it! :)

FWIW. --Richard

Hi,

MS do not sell their software. It is licensed with an EULA which clearly
states the terms and conditions of use and warranties.

There is nothing stopping you applying to MS for an OEM distribution
license. They would not be able to provide any support though.

Those of you still using anything less than XP SP2 are not only endangering
your own computer security, but also the security of all your friends,
co-workers and the general internet public.

If you are too poor to afford an OS upgrade then there are avenues to secure
resources for NFPO's (contact your nearest MS office) at discounted prices.

Regards.

"Hot-text" <hot-text********.com> wrote in message
news:OEV5DzGVKHA.1232@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> 98 Guy
> It look like they would like Win98 to give up Ghost and Die.
> They need to put all the win98 Updates on a CD to Sell, I would Buy One,
> would you Guy?
> Make BILL same $$$$$$.$$
>
> We Do NOT NEED THEIR answer or Help.
> For they not knowledge of Making Money For BILL.
> Long Live WebTV for (Window 98) GUY!!!
>
>
>

Peter Foldes top-posted and full-quoted:

> My answer to you is a big No

Because you were lazy and you full-quoted the original post withing
editing it to strategically place your answer so I could infer your
context, I don't know what your "big no" is referring to.

> A certain well-known kook who harasses a certain win-98 newsgroup
> has made the following claims regarding the use of these win-2k
> files on win-98. Please post your comments regarding the
> following:

If your "big no" refers to the the entire comment written by meb, then
ok, fine.

If it doesn't, then you need to clarify.