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| Re: Is there a known issue with IE8 causing slow desktop paint/redraw? Thanks for the tip, I hadn't thought to try that. Unfortunately the slow paint is still there with hyperthreading disabled. I tried twiddling with some of the process affinities as well but no joy. And for the record it's not the virus checker. However if I temporarily kill the explore.exe process then the problem clears up. Obviously this isn't even a workaround never mind a cure. :( "Harry Johnston [MVP]" <harry@scms.waikato.ac.nz> wrote in message news:Od8sSiJ5JHA.1096@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... > VzzBxx wrote: > >> The common item I picked up on was "Pentium-4 HT", think it might be a >> logical processor issue? > > If the HT stands for hyperthreading, perhaps you could try disabling > hyperthreading (there is usually a BIOS option to do this) and see if it > makes any difference? > > Harry. > > >> >> What processor type have you got? >> >> "hdonthecheap" <hdonthecheap@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message >> news:BE29EFBE-AF60-4DEA-985C-AFA449DE0945@microsoft.com... >>> I have exactly this slow painting problem -- and have researched this >>> all over. >>> >>> The only common thread in all these posts is "NVidia GeForce". >>> >>> My two computers have NVidia GeForce cards, I have slow painting problem >>> with IE8. I remove IE8, painting problem gone. >>> >>> Other people without NVidia GeForce cards do not report this problem -- >>> generally speaking. Nothing posted on NVidia forums about it ... >>> >>> Just a guess. >>> >>> "bargz" wrote: >>> >>>> I have Windows XP SP3, and I decided to install Internet Explorer 8 >>>> last >>>> week. It installed fine, and I used it for a week, but my desktop UI >>>> speed >>>> had become NOTICEABLY sluggish: when I move windows around, there would >>>> be a >>>> white "lag" behind them, similar to turning on "mouse trails" for your >>>> cursor. It acted like I had disabled video acceleration. Also, >>>> YouTube >>>> videos were jittery and my CPU utilization was very high while >>>> watching. >>>> >>>> Thinking it may have been outdated NVidia drivers, I downloaded and >>>> installed the latest release from NVidia's web site, but the situation >>>> did >>>> not improve. >>>> >>>> I've searched the web and the newsgroups and cannot find anyone with a >>>> similar problem; I found some people complained about sluggish WEB >>>> PAGES with >>>> IE8, but my issue is not that web pages are slow to load, but >>>> specifically >>>> it's a problem with my GUI rendering speed. >>>> >>>> Anyway, this morning I uninstalled IE8, rebooted, and now my GUI speed >>>> is >>>> back to normal (fast) -- I can move windows around without trails -- so >>>> it is >>>> obviously something with Internet Explorer 8. >>>> >>>> My system specs: >>>> Dell 400SC >>>> Pentium-4 HT 2.8GHz single core >>>> 3 GB memory >>>> NVidia GeForce 7600 GS 512MB AGP 8X, driver version 185.85 >>>> Dual LCD monitors >>>> Windows XP SP3 with all high-priority updates >>>> >>>> Thoughts? Anyone? >>>> >>>> >> |
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| RE: Is there a known issue with IE8 causing slow desktop paint/redraw? Yes there is definitely an issue here. A very severe issue. I installed IE8 this morning when update informed me that it was downloaded and ready for install. After the mandatory reboot, I noticed paint was extremely slow. My test for paint is to open a empty notepad, grab it by the task bar and shake the bejeezus out of it. On my pre IE8 system this was rock solid, it just moved around the screen as fast as I could shake it. On the post IE8 system, had trails across all 5100 pixels of my 1600 pixel high horizontally spanned desktop. My next step was to roll back, of course. I went back to my Wednesday restore point, just to be safe. I was relieved to see that my desktop was back to its normal paint speed, notepad dances with the cursor. But wait, there's more! IE does not work. Though it is not my primary browser, I use it for silly stuff, like windows update, Netflix DRM viewing, stuff like that. When ever I tried to light up a IE based task IE took a dive, and get this, It does not even give a fialed app dialog box. NOOOOOOO, it just goes away. So I found this thread. PA Bear says, use the remove function to uninstall IE8, NOT the restore point. So I oh boy, how am I not going to wind up not doing a sysgen? OK, re-install IE8. Yup the slow down is back. BTW I use active desktop for a bunch of monitoring web pages, so just for haha's I disable all the active desktop. Hey its faster, I dunno if it is as fast as pre IE8 but now I want my old machine back. So I do the IE8 uninstall and again the mandatory re-boot. RATS! IE7 is still not working. No IE7 no Windows update. ANYONE have an idea how to get IE7 back? |
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| Re: Is there a known issue with IE8 causing slow desktop paint/redraw? To avoid confusion, please begin a new thread in IE General newsgroups about your specific problems. State your IE version and full Windows version (e.g., WinXP SP3; Vista SP2) in your first post. Thank you. -- ~PA Bear gjpc wrote: > Yes there is definitely an issue here. A very severe issue. I installed > IE8 > this morning when update informed me that it was downloaded and ready for > install. After the mandatory reboot, I noticed paint was extremely slow. > My > test for paint is to open a empty notepad, grab it by the task bar and > shake > the bejeezus out of it. On my pre IE8 system this was rock solid, it just > moved around the screen as fast as I could shake it. On the post IE8 > system, > had trails across all 5100 pixels of my 1600 pixel high horizontally > spanned > desktop. > > My next step was to roll back, of course. I went back to my Wednesday > restore point, just to be safe. I was relieved to see that my desktop was > back to its normal paint speed, notepad dances with the cursor. > > But wait, there's more! > > IE does not work. Though it is not my primary browser, I use it for silly > stuff, like windows update, Netflix DRM viewing, stuff like that. When > ever > I tried to light up a IE based task IE took a dive, and get this, It does > not even give a fialed app dialog box. NOOOOOOO, it just goes away. > > So I found this thread. PA Bear says, use the remove function to uninstall > IE8, NOT the restore point. So I oh boy, how am I not going to wind up not > doing a sysgen? OK, re-install IE8. Yup the slow down is back. BTW I use > active desktop for a bunch of monitoring web pages, so just for haha's I > disable all the active desktop. Hey its faster, I dunno if it is as fast > as > pre IE8 but now I want my old machine back. So I do the IE8 uninstall and > again the mandatory re-boot. > > RATS! IE7 is still not working. No IE7 no Windows update. > > ANYONE have an idea how to get IE7 back? |
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| Re: Is there a known issue with IE8 causing slow desktop paint/redraw? "...I went back to my Wednesday restore point..." Wrong. Should have followed Microsoft's published instructions for removing IE 8. Now you have a mess on your hands. --- Leonard Grey Errare humanum est gjpc wrote: > Yes there is definitely an issue here. A very severe issue. I installed IE8 > this morning when update informed me that it was downloaded and ready for > install. After the mandatory reboot, I noticed paint was extremely slow. My > test for paint is to open a empty notepad, grab it by the task bar and shake > the bejeezus out of it. On my pre IE8 system this was rock solid, it just > moved around the screen as fast as I could shake it. On the post IE8 system, > had trails across all 5100 pixels of my 1600 pixel high horizontally spanned > desktop. > > My next step was to roll back, of course. I went back to my Wednesday > restore point, just to be safe. I was relieved to see that my desktop was > back to its normal paint speed, notepad dances with the cursor. > > But wait, there's more! > > IE does not work. Though it is not my primary browser, I use it for silly > stuff, like windows update, Netflix DRM viewing, stuff like that. When ever I > tried to light up a IE based task IE took a dive, and get this, It does not > even give a fialed app dialog box. NOOOOOOO, it just goes away. > > So I found this thread. PA Bear says, use the remove function to uninstall > IE8, NOT the restore point. So I oh boy, how am I not going to wind up not > doing a sysgen? OK, re-install IE8. Yup the slow down is back. BTW I use > active desktop for a bunch of monitoring web pages, so just for haha's I > disable all the active desktop. Hey its faster, I dunno if it is as fast as > pre IE8 but now I want my old machine back. So I do the IE8 uninstall and > again the mandatory re-boot. > > RATS! IE7 is still not working. No IE7 no Windows update. > > ANYONE have an idea how to get IE7 back? > > |
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| Re: Is there a known issue with IE8 causing slow desktop paint/red How to uninstall IE8 http://support.microsoft.com/kb/957700/ -- Peter Please Reply to Newsgroup for the benefit of others Requests for assistance by email can not and will not be acknowledged. "gjpc" <gjpc@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:CABBEBF6-6A11-4983-B9C5-3B3A46FFD16C@microsoft.com... > Yea, yea yea leo, ever notice that there is no remove for IE7? Why should > there have been one for IE8? |
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| Re: Is there a known issue with IE8 causing slow desktop paint/red I have exactly the same problem here. I got IE8 installed, and then noticed a very slow desktop painting. I've done exactly the same test as gjpc by moving a notepad window over the desktop. The redraw in so slow!!!. I then removed IE8 with the correct uninstall procedure and everything was back to normal. I then reinstall IE8 because IE7 suffers from an annoying bug making it to freeze without being able to close it when vieweing some pages with JavaScript (I got this issue with 3 PCs using IE7). But, again, my desktop is very slow to repaint. It looks like IE8 adds a layer over the desktop adding another useless heavy feature. I just done the last Windows Update on IE8 pushing it to release 8.0.6001.18702. The result isn't better because now I lost my backgound image when I lock the system with WND+L. What a weird idea to add a layer over the desktop. It looks like the same problem Windows 98 was having with Active Desktop making it very slow. There must be a way to disable the buggy Active Desktop and get my PC back to normal!? |
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| Re: Is there a known issue with IE8 causing slow desktop paint/red To disable Active Desktop from being 'enabled' : Look at the following settings in the 'Group Policy Editor' ('Start Menu' > 'Administrative Tools') : 'User configuration' > 'Administrative Templates' > 'Windows Components' > 'Windows Explorer' > "Turn on Classic Shell." ....and both of the following : 'User configuration' > 'Administrative Templates' > 'Desktop' > 'Active Desktop' > "Enable Active Desktop" ....and : 'User configuration' > 'Administrative Templates' > 'Desktop' > 'Active Desktop' > "Disable Active Desktop" (..but especially the first setting at the top). == Cheers, Tim Meddick, Peckham, London. :-) "Carl Duranleau" <Carl Duranleau@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:40D4FF30-51E7-4612-8D85-A61641B8E872@microsoft.com... >I have exactly the same problem here. I got IE8 installed, and then >noticed a > very slow desktop painting. I've done exactly the same test as gjpc by > moving > a notepad window over the desktop. The redraw in so slow!!!. I then > removed > IE8 with the correct uninstall procedure and everything was back to > normal. I > then reinstall IE8 because IE7 suffers from an annoying bug making it > to > freeze without being able to close it when vieweing some pages with > JavaScript (I got this issue with 3 PCs using IE7). But, again, my > desktop is > very slow to repaint. It looks like IE8 adds a layer over the desktop > adding > another useless heavy feature. I just done the last Windows Update on > IE8 > pushing it to release 8.0.6001.18702. The result isn't better because > now I > lost my backgound image when I lock the system with WND+L. What a > weird idea > to add a layer over the desktop. It looks like the same problem > Windows 98 > was having with Active Desktop making it very slow. > > There must be a way to disable the buggy Active Desktop and get my PC > back > to normal!? > |
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| Re: Is there a known issue with IE8 causing slow desktop paint/redraw? bargz wrote: > I have Windows XP SP3, and I decided to install Internet Explorer 8 > last week. It installed fine, and I used it for a week, but my > desktop UI speed had become NOTICEABLY sluggish: when I move > windows around, there would be a white "lag" behind them, similar > to turning on "mouse trails" for your cursor. It acted like I had > disabled video acceleration. Also, YouTube videos were jittery and > my CPU utilization was very high while watching. > > Thinking it may have been outdated NVidia drivers, I downloaded and > installed the latest release from NVidia's web site, but the > situation did not improve. > > I've searched the web and the newsgroups and cannot find anyone > with a similar problem; I found some people complained about > sluggish WEB PAGES with IE8, but my issue is not that web pages are > slow to load, but specifically it's a problem with my GUI rendering > speed. > > Anyway, this morning I uninstalled IE8, rebooted, and now my GUI > speed is back to normal (fast) -- I can move windows around without > trails -- so it is obviously something with Internet Explorer 8. > > My system specs: > Dell 400SC > Pentium-4 HT 2.8GHz single core > 3 GB memory > NVidia GeForce 7600 GS 512MB AGP 8X, driver version 185.85 > Dual LCD monitors > Windows XP SP3 with all high-priority updates > > Thoughts? Anyone? Just for the heck of it... If in XP, just do this: Start button --> RUN --> type in: regsvr32 actxprxy.dll --. Click OK. Reboot. If Vista, you need to open a command prompt as the administrator (run as administrator) and run the following command: regsvr32 actxprxy.dll Reboot. Help any? -- Shenan Stanley MS-MVP -- How To Ask Questions The Smart Way http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html |
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| Re: Is there a known issue with IE8 causing slow desktop paint/redraw? "Shenan Stanley" <newshelper******.com> wrote in message news:erZl4FS%23JHA.5780@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... > bargz wrote: >> I have Windows XP SP3, and I decided to install Internet Explorer 8 >> last week. It installed fine, and I used it for a week, but my >> desktop UI speed had become NOTICEABLY sluggish: when I move >> windows around, there would be a white "lag" behind them, similar >> to turning on "mouse trails" for your cursor. It acted like I had >> disabled video acceleration. Also, YouTube videos were jittery and >> my CPU utilization was very high while watching. >> >> Thinking it may have been outdated NVidia drivers, I downloaded and >> installed the latest release from NVidia's web site, but the >> situation did not improve. >> >> I've searched the web and the newsgroups and cannot find anyone >> with a similar problem; I found some people complained about >> sluggish WEB PAGES with IE8, but my issue is not that web pages are >> slow to load, but specifically it's a problem with my GUI rendering >> speed. >> >> Anyway, this morning I uninstalled IE8, rebooted, and now my GUI >> speed is back to normal (fast) -- I can move windows around without >> trails -- so it is obviously something with Internet Explorer 8. >> >> My system specs: >> Dell 400SC >> Pentium-4 HT 2.8GHz single core >> 3 GB memory >> NVidia GeForce 7600 GS 512MB AGP 8X, driver version 185.85 >> Dual LCD monitors >> Windows XP SP3 with all high-priority updates >> >> Thoughts? Anyone? > > Just for the heck of it... > > If in XP, just do this: > > Start button --> RUN --> type in: > > regsvr32 actxprxy.dll > > > --. Click OK. > > Reboot. > > > If Vista, you need to open a command prompt as the administrator (run as > administrator) and run the following command: > > regsvr32 actxprxy.dll > > > > Reboot. > > > > Help any? > > > > -- > Shenan Stanley > MS-MVP > -- > How To Ask Questions The Smart Way > http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html > This is fix for speeding up IE8 that I already saw at http://www.edbott.com/weblog/?p=2443. Bad news - it makes no difference to the desktop paint speed.(well for me anyway using XP SP3 and IE8.0.6001.18702) |
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| Re: Is there a known issue with IE8 causing slow desktop paint/red I have exactly the same problem, After uninstalling other updates I finally uninstalled IE8 and the problem went away. So I guess I will not use IE8 because the desktop was ridiculously slow!!! Good thing I have other browsers to use, because if I had to use IE8 I would be quite aggravated! I have 2.2 GH pentium Radeon X800 2 GB ram XP /SP3 The wierd thing is that I have a cheapy deapy laptop from walmart and it doen't have the problem. |
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| Re: Is there a known issue with IE8 causing slow desktoppaint/redraw? On May 16, 6:30*am, bargz <ba...@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote: > I have Windows XP SP3, and I decided to install Internet Explorer 8 last > week. *It installed fine, and I used it for a week, but my desktop UI speed > had become NOTICEABLY sluggish: when I move windows around, there would be a > white "lag" behind them, similar to turning on "mouse trails" for your > cursor. *It acted like I had disabled video acceleration. *Also, YouTube > videos were jittery and my CPU utilization was very high while watching. > > Thinking it may have been outdated NVidia drivers, I downloaded and > installed the latest release from NVidia's web site, but the situation did > not improve. > > I've searched the web and the newsgroups and cannot find anyone with a > similar problem; I found some people complained about sluggish WEB PAGES with > IE8, but my issue is not that web pages are slow to load, but specifically > it's a problem with my GUI rendering speed. > > Anyway, this morning I uninstalled IE8, rebooted, and now my GUI speed is > back to normal (fast) -- I can move windows around without trails -- so it is > obviously something with Internet Explorer 8. > > My system specs: > Dell 400SC > Pentium-4 HT 2.8GHz single core > 3 GB memory > NVidia GeForce 7600 GS 512MB AGP 8X, driver version 185.85 > Dual LCD monitors > Windows XP SP3 with all high-priority updates > > Thoughts? *Anyone? Every time I log on here it seems people are having problems with IE8. It seems like it's not compatible with existing programs or whatever , but it clearly seems to have some issues that need to be resolved yet some seem to have no problem with it? Robert |
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| Re: Is there a known issue with IE8 causing slow desktop paint/redraw? bargz wrote: > I have Windows XP SP3, and I decided to install Internet Explorer 8 > last week. It installed fine, and I used it for a week, but my > desktop UI speed had become NOTICEABLY sluggish: when I move > windows around, there would be a white "lag" behind them, similar > to turning on "mouse trails" for your cursor. It acted like I had > disabled video acceleration. Also, YouTube videos were jittery and > my CPU utilization was very high while watching. > > Thinking it may have been outdated NVidia drivers, I downloaded and > installed the latest release from NVidia's web site, but the > situation did not improve. > > I've searched the web and the newsgroups and cannot find anyone > with a similar problem; I found some people complained about > sluggish WEB PAGES with IE8, but my issue is not that web pages are > slow to load, but specifically it's a problem with my GUI rendering > speed. > > Anyway, this morning I uninstalled IE8, rebooted, and now my GUI > speed is back to normal (fast) -- I can move windows around without > trails -- so it is obviously something with Internet Explorer 8. > > My system specs: > Dell 400SC > Pentium-4 HT 2.8GHz single core > 3 GB memory > NVidia GeForce 7600 GS 512MB AGP 8X, driver version 185.85 > Dual LCD monitors > Windows XP SP3 with all high-priority updates > > Thoughts? Anyone? <snipped> Navyguy wrote: > Every time I log on here it seems people are having problems with > IE8. It seems like it's not compatible with existing programs or > whatever , but it clearly seems to have some issues that need to be > resolved yet some seem to have no problem with it? Yes. Exactly the same as going to a hospital. Seems everywhere you look people are having trouble with this or that, all those medical issues. Yet - if you go to the supermarket - the medical problems you witness are much less in number. ;-) In other words - don't walk into a place setup for people complain and get assistance with Microsoft updates/Windows XP issues and Internet Explorer specific issues and then wonder why you you see people complaining about Microsoft updates/Windows XP issues and Internet Explorer specific issues. *grin* I have had no show-stopping issues with Internet Explorer 8 to speak of. I haven't even personally had the need to use the "Compatibility View" feature. That's many different banking/credit card/financial sites, many different academic sites, many different technical subscription and such sites and so on. Again - for those having 'issues' with IE8 concerning speed - I suggest: If in XP, just do this: Start button --> RUN --> type in: regsvr32 actxprxy.dll --> Click OK. Reboot. If Vista, you need to open a command prompt as the administrator (run as administrator) and run the following command: regsvr32 actxprxy.dll Reboot. Help any? -- Shenan Stanley MS-MVP -- How To Ask Questions The Smart Way http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html |
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| Re: Is there a known issue with IE8 causing slow desktoppaint/redraw? On May 16, 7:35*am, "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABear...******.com> wrote: > I have not seen any other posts (or posted bugs) about such behavior. > > No-charge support for Internet Explorer 8 installation, set-up and usage > (only) is available via the phone based on your locale through 31 December > 2009. Customers must be running Windows XP or Windows Vista in a non-domain > environment. > => US & CA Residents: 1-866-234-6020 > => Other locales:https://support.microsoft.com/oas/de...px?&prid=13043 > > My personal recommendations include: > > => Install IE8 manually, not via Windows Update/Automatic Updates!! > > => Uninstall all third-party toolbars (e.g., Google; Yahoo; Windows Live) > and third-party Windows Themes before installing IE8. > > => Close all open applications (i.e., anything with a taskbar icon) before > installing or uninstalling IE8. > > => I would strongly recommend disabling your anti-virus application andany > anti-spyware application's "system protections" (other than Defender's) > before installing (or uninstalling) an IE upgrade. *If you're running a > third-party firewall, I would recommend disabling it and then enabling the > Windows Firewall before installing (or uninstalling) an IE upgrade. > > => Create a Restore Point manually before installing IE8. *[Do NOT use > System Restore to remove/uninstall IE8; instead, seehttp://support.microsoft.com/kb/957700. *Then use the Restore Point prior to > reinstalling IE8 per these recommendations. *Norton users will need to seehttp://bertk.mvps.org/html/symantecdoc1.html.] > > => Reboot twice after installing or uninstalling IE8. > > => For best chance of success with IE8, make certain that your anti-virus > application, any anti-spyware applications (other than Defender), and your > third-party firewall (if any) are supported in IE8 Final before you decide > install it. > -- > ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear) > MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Client - since 2002 > Question(s) if how do we make certain that are anti-virus, anti- spyware are supported by IE8? Also since you recommend not downloading it from Windows or Automatic updates where do you recommend? Robert |
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| Re: Is there a known issue with IE8 causing slow desktop paint/redraw? Navyguy wrote: > On May 16, 7:35 am, "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABear...******.com> wrote: >> I have not seen any other posts (or posted bugs) about such behavior. >> >> No-charge support for Internet Explorer 8 installation, set-up and >> usage (only) is available via the phone based on your locale through >> 31 December 2009. Customers must be running Windows XP or Windows >> Vista in a non-domain >> environment. >> => US & CA Residents: 1-866-234-6020 >> => Other >> locales:https://support.microsoft.com/oas/de...px?&prid=13043 >> >> My personal recommendations include: >> >> => Install IE8 manually, not via Windows Update/Automatic Updates!! >> >> => Uninstall all third-party toolbars (e.g., Google; Yahoo; Windows >> Live) >> and third-party Windows Themes before installing IE8. >> >> => Close all open applications (i.e., anything with a taskbar icon) >> before >> installing or uninstalling IE8. >> >> => I would strongly recommend disabling your anti-virus application >> and any >> anti-spyware application's "system protections" (other than >> Defender's) >> before installing (or uninstalling) an IE upgrade. If you're running >> a >> third-party firewall, I would recommend disabling it and then >> enabling the >> Windows Firewall before installing (or uninstalling) an IE upgrade. >> >> => Create a Restore Point manually before installing IE8. [Do NOT use >> System Restore to remove/uninstall IE8; instead, >> seehttp://support.microsoft.com/kb/957700. Then use the Restore >> Point prior to reinstalling IE8 per these recommendations. Norton >> users will need to seehttp://bertk.mvps.org/html/symantecdoc1.html.] >> >> => Reboot twice after installing or uninstalling IE8. >> >> => For best chance of success with IE8, make certain that your >> anti-virus >> application, any anti-spyware applications (other than Defender), >> and your >> third-party firewall (if any) are supported in IE8 Final before you >> decide >> install it. >> -- >> ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear) >> MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Client - since 2002 >> > > > Question(s) if how do we make certain that are anti-virus, anti- > spyware are supported by IE8? That's a good question. Ordinarily, you would check the documentation that comes with each program. However, usually what you will find is which *operating systems* (and service pack levels) are supported. Googling is a good idea, though; this way, you will see, for instance, that there is a conflict between Spybot Search & Destroy's Immunization feature and IE8: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q...q=f&oq=&aqi=g2 > Also since you recommend not downloading > it from Windows or Automatic updates where do you recommend? Right here: http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/d...displaylang=en The file name: IE8-WindowsXP-x86-ENU.exe |
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