>> While Microsoft does not offer the 3810 build of the MSJVM publicly
>> any more but you should be able to retrieve a copy of the setup file
>> at the following site:
>> http://www.mvps.org/marksxp/WindowsXP/java.php

It worked! I didn't need to uninstall anything.
http://www.javatester.org/version.html shows: "Java Version: 1.1.4 from
Microsoft Corp." after I click on its ActiveX Controls.

I have a question about your link note: "Note: Following a recent
settlement Microsoft are now able to issue security updates for their
Java VM until Dec 31, 2007." Does that mean MS will not provide any more
security updates after this date if there are security problems related
to MS' Java VM? Is MS planning users to remove it and use Sun's Java JRE?

Thank you! :)
--
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"Ant" <philpi@earthlink.netANT> wrote in message
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> On 10/9/2007 7:55 AM PT, Donald Anadell typed:
>
>>>> You might first make sure that "msjava.dll" is still located in the
>>>> System32
>>>> folder.
> >>
>>> I do have it: v5.0.3810.0. Is this correct?
>>
>> Yes, if you click Start||Run and type "wjview" (without the quote marks)
>> into the Run box and click OK, it should return a dialog box indicating
>> that you have Version 5.00.3810 installed on your machine. This is the
>> latest and most secure build of the MSJVM.
>
> It says 5.00.3810 so that is fine.
>
>
>>>> If your installation of Windows XP Home||Pro predates SP1a then the MS
>>>> Java Virtual Machine should be installed on your machine and that file
>>>> should be located in the System32 folder.
>>>>
>>>> Then try reregistering that DLL file by clicking on Start||Run and
>>>> typing
>>>> the following into the Run box:
>>>> regsvr32 Msjava.dll
>>> That didn't work after I got a successful message.
>>>
>>>
>>>> The MS Java Virtual Machine and the Sun Java Virtual Machine can
>>>> co-exist quite nicely on the same machine, and you should be able to
>>>> switch between them. I have both virtual machines installed on three
>>>> Windows XP machines here and have no problems with any of them using
>>>> either the MSJVM or Sun. As long as you have the latest secure version
>>>> of the MSJVM(build 3810) installed, you shouldn't have any problems
>>>> using that
>>>>>> Virtual Machinen.
>
>>> Yeah, that is what I am trying to do. Have both. Something is broken
>>> with my Java. :( Is there a downloadable EXE file to reinstall it?
>>
>> While Microsoft does not offer the 3810 build of the MSJVM publicly any
>> more but you should be able to retrieve a copy of the setup file at the
>> following site:
>> http://www.mvps.org/marksxp/WindowsXP/java.php
>
> Do you happen to know if this is safe to install over an updated XP Pro.
> SP2?

Should be, the hope is that installing the 3810 build overtop of your
current installation will overwrite any corrupted files and or Registry
entries that are at the root of your current problems with the MSJVM.

>
>
>> You can try downloading and installing Build 3810 over top of your
>> current installation of the MSJVM to see if that resolves your issue. If
>> not, you may have to following the Uninstall procedure listed at that
>> site to competely remove the MSJVM from your Machine first, and then
>> reinstall it.
>
> OK.
>
>
>> If you do the Uninstall procedure for the MSJVM, you will have to
>> download both files(Build 3805 and Build 3810) from that site. First
>> downlaod and install build 3805 to reinstall the Virtual Machine, then
>> download and install the Patch Build 3810 and install it. Build 3810 is
>> only a Security Patch, so Build 3805 must be installed first.
>
> OK. Actually, doesn't Windows Update detect the patches that need to
> install?

It(Windows Update ) should detect that you do not have the build 3810 Patch
for the JVM installed and offer it up, but personally I would do it manually
and not risk getting online without that patch(Build 3810) if you decide to
do the complete uninstall||reinstall of the MSJVM. Just download the main
JVM setup file(Build 3805), and the Patch(Build 3810) from that site so you
can disconnect from the internet entirely while you perform the
procedure(Uninstall||Reinstall), should you decide to do so.
>
>
>>> Also, is disabling in control panel's Sun Java JRE v6.0 b3 options not
>>> run in MSIE and VM enabled in IE6's options enough? Or did I miss other
>>> places?
>>
>> I've always used the small utility available here:
>> http://www.jensign.com/JavaScience/S...JVM/index.html
>> that allows you to switch between the MSJVM and the Sun JVM in IE on the
>> fly. It will make the necessary Registry change to force IE to use on or
>> the other of the JVMs, and indicate to you which one is currently being
>> used.
>
> Interesting. Thanks as usual. :)

You're welcome, and good luck.

Donald Anadell


> --
> "I am afraid that I am convinced that a community of human beings is a far
> more useful thing than a community of ants, and that if the human being is
> condemned and restricted to perform the same functions over and over
> again, he will not even be a good ant, not to mention a good human
> being." --Norbert Wiener
> /\___/\
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> Ant is currently not listening to any songs on his home computer.

The MS JVM was withdrawn with SP 2, with no support or updates
thereafter. Continuing to use it is a security risk.

---
Leonard Grey
Errare humanum est

Ant wrote:
>>> While Microsoft does not offer the 3810 build of the MSJVM publicly
>>> any more but you should be able to retrieve a copy of the setup file
>>> at the following site:
>>> http://www.mvps.org/marksxp/WindowsXP/java.php
>
> It worked! I didn't need to uninstall anything.
> http://www.javatester.org/version.html shows: "Java Version: 1.1.4 from
> Microsoft Corp." after I click on its ActiveX Controls.
>
> I have a question about your link note: "Note: Following a recent
> settlement Microsoft are now able to issue security updates for their
> Java VM until Dec 31, 2007." Does that mean MS will not provide any more
> security updates after this date if there are security problems related
> to MS' Java VM? Is MS planning users to remove it and use Sun's Java JRE?
>
> Thank you! :)

"Ant" <philpi@earthlink.netANT> wrote in message
news:uKMiydoCIHA.1208@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>> While Microsoft does not offer the 3810 build of the MSJVM publicly any
>>> more but you should be able to retrieve a copy of the setup file at the
>>> following site:
>>> http://www.mvps.org/marksxp/WindowsXP/java.php
>
> It worked! I didn't need to uninstall anything.
> http://www.javatester.org/version.html shows: "Java Version: 1.1.4 from
> Microsoft Corp." after I click on its ActiveX Controls.

Glad you were able to resolve the issue.
>
> I have a question about your link note: "Note: Following a recent
> settlement Microsoft are now able to issue security updates for their Java
> VM until Dec 31, 2007." Does that mean MS will not provide any more
> security updates after this date if there are security problems related to
> MS' Java VM?

Build 3810 is the last(latest) Security Patch for Microsoft (VM), support
for security patches was extended until Dec 31st of this year(2007). So
unless they release a patch on or before that date then Build 3810 will
indeed be the last supported patch for the MSJVM. As far as I know, any
vulnerability detected after that date will not be patched. There is no
known security risk at present using the 3810 build of the MSJVM.

>Is MS planning users to remove it and use Sun's Java JRE?
Microsoft stopped shipping the MSJVM with the release of Windows XP SP1a,
any installation disks since that release do not contain the MSJVM.


>
> Thank you! :)

You're welcome

Donald Anadell

> --
> "He who storms in like a whirlwind returns like an ant." --Borneo
> /\___/\
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> | |o o| | Ant's Quality Foraged Links (AQFL): http://aqfl.net
> \ _ / Remove ANT from e-mail address: philpi@earthlink.netANT
> ( ) or ANTant@zimage.com
> Ant is currently not listening to any songs on his home computer.

Hi Leonard,

Actually, the MS JVM was withdrawn with the Release of SP1a. There is no
known vulnerability to using Build 3810 of the MSJVM that I'm aware of, of
course that is subject to change after Dec 31st of this year when Security
Patches will no longer be offered.
http://www.microsoft.com/mscorp/java/faq.mspx

Good luck,

Donald Anadell


"Leonard Grey" <Leonard@Grey.invalid> wrote in message
news:urfdlloCIHA.4196@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> The MS JVM was withdrawn with SP 2, with no support or updates thereafter.
> Continuing to use it is a security risk.
>
> ---
> Leonard Grey
> Errare humanum est
>
> Ant wrote:
>>>> While Microsoft does not offer the 3810 build of the MSJVM publicly any
>>>> more but you should be able to retrieve a copy of the setup file at the
>>>> following site:
>>>> http://www.mvps.org/marksxp/WindowsXP/java.php
>>
>> It worked! I didn't need to uninstall anything.
>> http://www.javatester.org/version.html shows: "Java Version: 1.1.4 from
>> Microsoft Corp." after I click on its ActiveX Controls.
>>
>> I have a question about your link note: "Note: Following a recent
>> settlement Microsoft are now able to issue security updates for their
>> Java VM until Dec 31, 2007." Does that mean MS will not provide any more
>> security updates after this date if there are security problems related
>> to MS' Java VM? Is MS planning users to remove it and use Sun's Java JRE?
>>
>> Thank you! :)

On 10/9/2007 8:54 AM PT, Donald Anadell typed:

> "Ant" <philpi@earthlink.netANT> wrote in message
> news:uKMiydoCIHA.1208@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>>> While Microsoft does not offer the 3810 build of the MSJVM publicly any
>>>> more but you should be able to retrieve a copy of the setup file at the
>>>> following site:
>>>> http://www.mvps.org/marksxp/WindowsXP/java.php
>> It worked! I didn't need to uninstall anything.
>> http://www.javatester.org/version.html shows: "Java Version: 1.1.4 from
>> Microsoft Corp." after I click on its ActiveX Controls.
>
> Glad you were able to resolve the issue.
>> I have a question about your link note: "Note: Following a recent
>> settlement Microsoft are now able to issue security updates for their Java
>> VM until Dec 31, 2007." Does that mean MS will not provide any more
>> security updates after this date if there are security problems related to
>> MS' Java VM?
>
> Build 3810 is the last(latest) Security Patch for Microsoft (VM), support
> for security patches was extended until Dec 31st of this year(2007). So
> unless they release a patch on or before that date then Build 3810 will
> indeed be the last supported patch for the MSJVM. As far as I know, any
> vulnerability detected after that date will not be patched. There is no
> known security risk at present using the 3810 build of the MSJVM.
>
>> Is MS planning users to remove it and use Sun's Java JRE?
> Microsoft stopped shipping the MSJVM with the release of Windows XP SP1a,
> any installation disks since that release do not contain the MSJVM.

It is interesting that Sun's JRE keeps releasing new builds with fixes
compared to MS'.
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\ _ / Remove ANT from e-mail address: philpi@earthlink.netANT
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Ant is currently not listening to any songs on his home computer.

Regarding the FAQ you referenced, which was last updated in 2004, there
is a clear message:

"The MSJVM is obsolete code that is no longer enhanced or developed.
Microsoft will continue only to provide security updates to help our
customers maintain a safe computing environment."

However, according to the FAQ, the last security update to MSJVM was in
2003: "From 1999 to 2003, Microsoft issued 10 MSJVM security updates. A
cumulative patch is available on the Windows Update Web site."
Nonetheless, security threats have continued to advance.

"Customers are encouraged to take proactive measures to stay informed
about this and other obsolete software and move away from the MSJVM
before December 31, 2007."

It is hard to fathom why anyone would still be interested in using or
developing for MSJVM.

---
Leonard Grey
Errare humanum est

Donald Anadell wrote:
> Hi Leonard,
>
> Actually, the MS JVM was withdrawn with the Release of SP1a. There is no
> known vulnerability to using Build 3810 of the MSJVM that I'm aware of, of
> course that is subject to change after Dec 31st of this year when Security
> Patches will no longer be offered.
> http://www.microsoft.com/mscorp/java/faq.mspx
>
> Good luck,
>
> Donald Anadell
>
>
> "Leonard Grey" <Leonard@Grey.invalid> wrote in message
> news:urfdlloCIHA.4196@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>> The MS JVM was withdrawn with SP 2, with no support or updates thereafter.
>> Continuing to use it is a security risk.
>>
>> ---
>> Leonard Grey
>> Errare humanum est
>>
>> Ant wrote:
>>>>> While Microsoft does not offer the 3810 build of the MSJVM publicly any
>>>>> more but you should be able to retrieve a copy of the setup file at the
>>>>> following site:
>>>>> http://www.mvps.org/marksxp/WindowsXP/java.php
>>> It worked! I didn't need to uninstall anything.
>>> http://www.javatester.org/version.html shows: "Java Version: 1.1.4 from
>>> Microsoft Corp." after I click on its ActiveX Controls.
>>>
>>> I have a question about your link note: "Note: Following a recent
>>> settlement Microsoft are now able to issue security updates for their
>>> Java VM until Dec 31, 2007." Does that mean MS will not provide any more
>>> security updates after this date if there are security problems related
>>> to MS' Java VM? Is MS planning users to remove it and use Sun's Java JRE?
>>>
>>> Thank you! :)
>
>

Ant <philpi@earthlink.netANT> wrote in
news:eVBkYvOCIHA.5044@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl:

> On 10/5/2007 5:56 PM PT, Jon Kennedy typed:
>
>> For more information about MS and Sun re Java, and if you need MS's
>> JavaVM, see this site:
>> http://inetexplorer.mvps.org/answers/14.html
>
> Thanks. I do have MS' Java installed since I installed this XP Pro. back
> in 2002 or so. Also in IE's options, I see options for Java VM:
>
> C:\>jview
> Microsoft (R) Command-line Loader for Java Version 5.00.3810
> Copyright (C) Microsoft Corp 1996-2000. All rights reserved.
>
> Usage: JView [options] <classname> [arguments]
>
> Options:
> /? displays usage text
> /cp <classpath> set class path
> /cp:p <path> prepend path to class path
> /cp:a <path> append path to class path
> /n <namespace> namespace in which to run
> /p pauses before terminating if an error occurs
> /v verify all classes
> /d:<name>=<value> define system property
> /a execute AppletViewer
> /vst print verbose stack traces (requires debug
> classes) /prof[:options] enable profiling (/prof:? for help)
>
> Classname:
> .CLASS file to be executed.
>
> Arguments:
> command-line arguments to be passed on to the class file
>
>
> Anyways, when I try to run Java applets from Internet Web sites like on
> ezboard.com, www.javatester.org/version.html , etc. show an empty box
> with the infamous red square with a red X. Screen shot:
> http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/1...pprosp2ff1.gif ...
>
> I can use Sun's JRE just fine if I enable it for IE6.0 SP2. I don't know
> why the old one from MS doesn't work anymore. :(

Changes/upgrades have been made to Java and these are not supported in the,
very old now, MS Java. I would recommend removing MS Java and installing
the latest version from Sun.

Hi Leonard,

Thanks for the feedback, some additional comments inline below:

"Leonard Grey" <Leonard@Grey.invalid> wrote in message
news:uMGhzOpCIHA.2324@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> Regarding the FAQ you referenced, which was last updated in 2004, there is
> a clear message:
>
> "The MSJVM is obsolete code that is no longer enhanced or developed.
> Microsoft will continue only to provide security updates to help our
> customers maintain a safe computing environment."

You'll get no argument from me on this statement, I simply wanted to point
out that the withdrawal of the MSJVM was specific to Windows XP SP1a and not
SP2:
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/813926/
"Windows XP SP1a is the same as Windows XP SP1 except that the Microsoft
virtual machine (VM) is removed in SP1a."

And also to point out that there are no known attack vectors with regard to
the MSJVM on a fully patched Windows XP SP2 machine that I'm aware of.

>
> However, according to the FAQ, the last security update to MSJVM was in
> 2003: "From 1999 to 2003, Microsoft issued 10 MSJVM security updates. A
> cumulative patch is available on the Windows Update Web site."
> Nonetheless, security threats have continued to advance.

Actually, I believe the last security update that affected the MSJVM was in
July 2005.
Security Update for JView Profiler (KB903235)
A Kill bit for ActiveX Compatibility in IE involving Javaprxy.dll was added
to the following Registry Key:
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\ActiveX
Compatibility\{03D9F3F2-B0E3-11D2-B081-006008039BF0}
>
> "Customers are encouraged to take proactive measures to stay informed
> about this and other obsolete software and move away from the MSJVM before
> December 31, 2007."

Interesting that MS would encourage the casual user to take proactive
measures, and at the same time remove from public distribution the MSJVM
Removal Tool.
Availability of the Microsoft JVM Removal Tool
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/826878
"The MSJVM Removal Tool has been removed from Microsoft download servers to
protect casual users from the irreversible effects that the tool has on
their systems."

Although the MSJVM Removal Tool is still available for download from
MajorGeeks:
http://www.majorgeeks.com/download.php?det=4158
With the following caveat taken from the above MS site:
"Editors Note: The MSJVM Removal Tool is no longer hosted on Microsoft
download servers. Because the MSJVM Removal Tool affects the whole system,
and because these effects are not reversible, it was decided that this
utility would be made available only to system administrators, to network
administrators, and to other IT professionals."
>
> It is hard to fathom why anyone would still be interested in using or
> developing for MSJVM.

My guess would be that some applets created to work specificly in the MSJVM
won't work with the Sun JVM. The majority of Java applications and applets
that run on the MSJVM also run on the Sun JRE. However, if the application
or applet was compiled using any MSJVM-specific features, it will not work
with the Sun JVM unless it is recompiled.

Having said that, and more to the point. There are millions of machines out
there that have the MSJVM installed on them. It was installed with Windows
XP and Windows XP SP1, while the install disks for SP1a and SP2 do not ship
with the MSJVM-upgrading previous installs of XP or XP SP1 with those disks
does not remove the MSJVM from those machines.

Again, thanks for the feedback.

Donald Anadell


>
> ---
> Leonard Grey
> Errare humanum est
>
> Donald Anadell wrote:
>> Hi Leonard,
>>
>> Actually, the MS JVM was withdrawn with the Release of SP1a. There is no
>> known vulnerability to using Build 3810 of the MSJVM that I'm aware of,
>> of course that is subject to change after Dec 31st of this year when
>> Security Patches will no longer be offered.
>> http://www.microsoft.com/mscorp/java/faq.mspx
>>
>> Good luck,
>>
>> Donald Anadell
>>
>>
>> "Leonard Grey" <Leonard@Grey.invalid> wrote in message
>> news:urfdlloCIHA.4196@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>> The MS JVM was withdrawn with SP 2, with no support or updates
>>> thereafter. Continuing to use it is a security risk.
>>>
>>> ---
>>> Leonard Grey
>>> Errare humanum est
>>>
>>> Ant wrote:
>>>>>> While Microsoft does not offer the 3810 build of the MSJVM publicly
>>>>>> any more but you should be able to retrieve a copy of the setup file
>>>>>> at the following site:
>>>>>> http://www.mvps.org/marksxp/WindowsXP/java.php
>>>> It worked! I didn't need to uninstall anything.
>>>> http://www.javatester.org/version.html shows: "Java Version: 1.1.4 from
>>>> Microsoft Corp." after I click on its ActiveX Controls.
>>>>
>>>> I have a question about your link note: "Note: Following a recent
>>>> settlement Microsoft are now able to issue security updates for their
>>>> Java VM until Dec 31, 2007." Does that mean MS will not provide any
>>>> more security updates after this date if there are security problems
>>>> related to MS' Java VM? Is MS planning users to remove it and use Sun's
>>>> Java JRE?
>>>>
>>>> Thank you! :)
>>

Hi Donald:

Thank you for correcting me, about the service pack (it was indeed SP 1a
that first lacked MS JVM) and the time of the last security update to
the MS JVM.

I can't say for sure, of course, but my guess is that there are no known
attack vectors on the MS JVM because, from an attacker's point of view,
there's more bang for the buck elsewhere.

I don't doubt that there are millions of unpatched computers out
there...mine, for example. I'm typing this at work, where we are still
using SP 1 company-wide, (no money in the budget to support SP 2, I am
told,) and relying on security at the network level (firewall, etc.) and
very restrictive GPO's.
---
Leonard Grey
Errare humanum est

Donald Anadell wrote:
> Hi Leonard,
>
> Thanks for the feedback, some additional comments inline below:
>
> "Leonard Grey" <Leonard@Grey.invalid> wrote in message
> news:uMGhzOpCIHA.2324@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>> Regarding the FAQ you referenced, which was last updated in 2004, there is
>> a clear message:
>>
>> "The MSJVM is obsolete code that is no longer enhanced or developed.
>> Microsoft will continue only to provide security updates to help our
>> customers maintain a safe computing environment."
>
> You'll get no argument from me on this statement, I simply wanted to point
> out that the withdrawal of the MSJVM was specific to Windows XP SP1a and not
> SP2:
> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/813926/
> "Windows XP SP1a is the same as Windows XP SP1 except that the Microsoft
> virtual machine (VM) is removed in SP1a."
>
> And also to point out that there are no known attack vectors with regard to
> the MSJVM on a fully patched Windows XP SP2 machine that I'm aware of.
>
>> However, according to the FAQ, the last security update to MSJVM was in
>> 2003: "From 1999 to 2003, Microsoft issued 10 MSJVM security updates. A
>> cumulative patch is available on the Windows Update Web site."
>> Nonetheless, security threats have continued to advance.
>
> Actually, I believe the last security update that affected the MSJVM was in
> July 2005.
> Security Update for JView Profiler (KB903235)
> A Kill bit for ActiveX Compatibility in IE involving Javaprxy.dll was added
> to the following Registry Key:
> HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\ActiveX
> Compatibility\{03D9F3F2-B0E3-11D2-B081-006008039BF0}
>> "Customers are encouraged to take proactive measures to stay informed
>> about this and other obsolete software and move away from the MSJVM before
>> December 31, 2007."
>
> Interesting that MS would encourage the casual user to take proactive
> measures, and at the same time remove from public distribution the MSJVM
> Removal Tool.
> Availability of the Microsoft JVM Removal Tool
> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/826878
> "The MSJVM Removal Tool has been removed from Microsoft download servers to
> protect casual users from the irreversible effects that the tool has on
> their systems."
>
> Although the MSJVM Removal Tool is still available for download from
> MajorGeeks:
> http://www.majorgeeks.com/download.php?det=4158
> With the following caveat taken from the above MS site:
> "Editors Note: The MSJVM Removal Tool is no longer hosted on Microsoft
> download servers. Because the MSJVM Removal Tool affects the whole system,
> and because these effects are not reversible, it was decided that this
> utility would be made available only to system administrators, to network
> administrators, and to other IT professionals."
>> It is hard to fathom why anyone would still be interested in using or
>> developing for MSJVM.
>
> My guess would be that some applets created to work specificly in the MSJVM
> won't work with the Sun JVM. The majority of Java applications and applets
> that run on the MSJVM also run on the Sun JRE. However, if the application
> or applet was compiled using any MSJVM-specific features, it will not work
> with the Sun JVM unless it is recompiled.
>
> Having said that, and more to the point. There are millions of machines out
> there that have the MSJVM installed on them. It was installed with Windows
> XP and Windows XP SP1, while the install disks for SP1a and SP2 do not ship
> with the MSJVM-upgrading previous installs of XP or XP SP1 with those disks
> does not remove the MSJVM from those machines.
>
> Again, thanks for the feedback.
>
> Donald Anadell
>
>
>> ---
>> Leonard Grey
>> Errare humanum est
>>
>> Donald Anadell wrote:
>>> Hi Leonard,
>>>
>>> Actually, the MS JVM was withdrawn with the Release of SP1a. There is no
>>> known vulnerability to using Build 3810 of the MSJVM that I'm aware of,
>>> of course that is subject to change after Dec 31st of this year when
>>> Security Patches will no longer be offered.
>>> http://www.microsoft.com/mscorp/java/faq.mspx
>>>
>>> Good luck,
>>>
>>> Donald Anadell
>>>
>>>
>>> "Leonard Grey" <Leonard@Grey.invalid> wrote in message
>>> news:urfdlloCIHA.4196@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>>> The MS JVM was withdrawn with SP 2, with no support or updates
>>>> thereafter. Continuing to use it is a security risk.
>>>>
>>>> ---
>>>> Leonard Grey
>>>> Errare humanum est
>>>>
>>>> Ant wrote:
>>>>>>> While Microsoft does not offer the 3810 build of the MSJVM publicly
>>>>>>> any more but you should be able to retrieve a copy of the setup file
>>>>>>> at the following site:
>>>>>>> http://www.mvps.org/marksxp/WindowsXP/java.php
>>>>> It worked! I didn't need to uninstall anything.
>>>>> http://www.javatester.org/version.html shows: "Java Version: 1.1.4 from
>>>>> Microsoft Corp." after I click on its ActiveX Controls.
>>>>>
>>>>> I have a question about your link note: "Note: Following a recent
>>>>> settlement Microsoft are now able to issue security updates for their
>>>>> Java VM until Dec 31, 2007." Does that mean MS will not provide any
>>>>> more security updates after this date if there are security problems
>>>>> related to MS' Java VM? Is MS planning users to remove it and use Sun's
>>>>> Java JRE?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thank you! :)
>

Leonard: Out of curiosity, what money is needed to support SP2?

--
Tom [Pepper] Willett
"You're a daisy if you do!"
----

| I don't doubt that there are millions of unpatched computers out
| there...mine, for example. I'm typing this at work, where we are still
| using SP 1 company-wide, (no money in the budget to support SP 2, I am
| told,) and relying on security at the network level (firewall, etc.) and
| very restrictive GPO's.
| ---
| Leonard Grey
| Errare humanum est
|
|

Tom, we have more than 700 computers of different ages with different
configurations as well as internally developed software. Have you any
idea of the burden that bringing these computers and this software
sufficiently up to date for an OS upgrade places on a small, urban
hospital with very limited resources?

---
Leonard Grey
Errare humanum est

Tom [Pepper] Willett wrote:
> Leonard: Out of curiosity, what money is needed to support SP2?
>

"Ant" wrote:

> On 10/7/2007 9:33 AM PT, Donald Anadell typed:
>
> > You might first make sure that "msjava.dll" is still located in the System32
> > folder.
>
> I do have it: v5.0.3810.0. Is this correct?
>
>
> > If your installation of Windows XP Home||Pro predates SP1a then the MS Java
> > Virtual Machine should be installed on your machine and that file should be
> > located in the System32 folder.
> >
> > Then try reregistering that DLL file by clicking on Start||Run and typing
> > the following into the Run box:
> > regsvr32 Msjava.dll
>
> That didn't fix the problem after I got a successful message.
>
>
> > The MS Java Virtual Machine and the Sun Java Virtual Machine can co-exist
> > quite nicely on the same machine, and you should be able to switch between
> > them. I have both virtual machines installed on three Windows XP machines
> > here and have no problems with any of them using either the MSJVM or Sun.
> > As long as you have the latest secure version of the MSJVM(build 3810)
> > installed, you shouldn't have any problems using that Virtual Machinen.
>
> Yeah, that is what I am trying to do. Have both. Something is broken
> with my Java. :(
>
> Is there a downloadable EXE file to reinstall it? Also, is disabling in
> control panel's Sun Java JRE v6.0 b3 options not run in MSIE and VM
> enabled in IE6's options enough? Or did I miss other places?
>
> Logs if they help. I ran the latest Process Explorer on iexplore.exe:
> Process PID CPU Description User Name Priority Handles Window Title
> System Idle Process 0 92.36 NT AUTHORITY\SYSTEM 0 0
> Interrupts n/a Hardware Interrupts 0 0
> DPCs n/a 0.69 Deferred Procedure Calls 0 0
> System 4 0.69 NT AUTHORITY\SYSTEM 8 632
> smss.exe 1492 Windows NT Session Manager NT AUTHORITY\SYSTEM 11 21
> csrss.exe 1560 0.69 Client Server Runtime Process NT
> AUTHORITY\SYSTEM 13 513
> winlogon.exe 1584 Windows NT Logon Application NT
> AUTHORITY\SYSTEM 13 584
> services.exe 1628 0.69 Services and Controller app NT
> AUTHORITY\SYSTEM 9 316
> svchost.exe 1828 Generic Host Process for Win32 Services NT
> AUTHORITY\SYSTEM 8 220
> svchost.exe 1872 Generic Host Process for Win32 Services NT
> AUTHORITY\NETWORK SERVICE 8 264
> svchost.exe 440 Generic Host Process for Win32 Services NT
> AUTHORITY\SYSTEM 8 1,631
> svchost.exe 616 Generic Host Process for Win32 Services NT
> AUTHORITY\NETWORK SERVICE 8 98
> spoolsv.exe 748 Spooler SubSystem App NT AUTHORITY\SYSTEM 8 130
> svchost.exe 952 Generic Host Process for Win32 Services NT
> AUTHORITY\LOCAL SERVICE 8 173
> cygrunsrv.exe 972 MYBOX\SvcCOPSSH 8 81
> nTuneService.exe 1044 NVIDIA Access Manager NT
> AUTHORITY\SYSTEM 8 147
> nvsvc32.exe 1060 NVIDIA Driver Helper Service, Version 163.69
> NT AUTHORITY\SYSTEM 8 139
> PERSFW.exe 1064 Kerio Personal Firewall Engine NT
> AUTHORITY\SYSTEM 8 73
> HPZipm12.exe 376 PML Driver NT AUTHORITY\SYSTEM 8 42
> PnkBstrA.exe 392 NT AUTHORITY\SYSTEM 8 46
> PnkBstrB.exe 464 NT AUTHORITY\SYSTEM 8 58
> tcpsvcs.exe 544 TCP/IP Services Application NT AUTHORITY\SYSTEM 8 74
> wdfmgr.exe 660 Windows User Mode Driver Manager NT
> AUTHORITY\LOCAL SERVICE 8 66
> vmware-authd.exe 1168 VMware Authorization Service NT
> AUTHORITY\SYSTEM 8 138
> vmnat.exe 1196 VMware NAT Service NT AUTHORITY\SYSTEM 8 54
> vmnetdhcp.exe 1324 VMware VMnet DHCP service NT
> AUTHORITY\SYSTEM 8 29
> alg.exe 252 Application Layer Gateway Service NT
> AUTHORITY\LOCAL SERVICE 8 104
> lsass.exe 1640 LSA Shell (Export Version) NT AUTHORITY\SYSTEM 9 331
> sshd.exe 1236 MYBOX\SvcCOPSSH 8 98
> explorer.exe 996 Windows Explorer MYBOX\Bob 8 712 ul
> TaskSwitch.exe 1824 MYBOX\Bob 8 35
> CTHELPER.EXE 776 CtHelper Application MYBOX\Bob 8 176
> hpcmpmgr.exe 2412 HP Framework Component Manager Service MYBOX\Bob 8 176
> hpwuSchd2.exe 2452 Hewlett-Packard Product AssistBob MYBOX\Bob 8 23
> hphmon06.exe 2460 HPHmon06 MYBOX\Bob 8 101
> rundll32.exe 2500 Run a DLL as an App MYBOX\Bob 8 92
> FreeShade.exe 2572 FreeShade MYBOX\Bob 8 22
> goScreen.exe 2584 Virtual multi-page monitor manager MYBOX\Bob 8 98
> goScreen
> MCDTray.exe 2600 Media Changer Deluxe SysTray Launcher MYBOX\Bob 8 25
> Pickatag.exe 2608 MYBOX\Bob 8 22
> PopTray.exe 2624 PopTray E-Mail Notifier MYBOX\Bob 8 150
> trillian.exe 788 Trillian MYBOX\Bob 8 340 Trillian
> SecureCRT.EXE 3532 SecureCRT Application MYBOX\Bob 8 79 Bobian -
> SecureCRT
> SecureCRT.EXE 2044 SecureCRT Application MYBOX\Bob 8 153
> alpha.zimage.com - SecureCRT
> notepad.exe 3888 Notepad MYBOX\Bob 8 31
> seamonkey.exe 796 SeaMonkey MYBOX\Bob 8 188 Compose: Re: MS' Java?
> procexp.exe 2880 4.17 Sysinternals Process Explorer MYBOX\Bob 13 422
> Process Explorer - Sysinternals: www.sysinternals.com [MYBOX\Bob]
> iexplore.exe 2800 0.69 Internet Explorer MYBOX\Bob 8 323 Java Tester -
> What Version of Java Are You Running? - Microsoft Internet Explorer
>
> Process: iexplore.exe Pid: 2800
>
> Base Size Mapping Description Version Time Name
> 0x140000 0x3000 Data <Pagefile Backed>
> 0x260000 0x3000 Data <Pagefile Backed>
> 0x263000 0xD000 Data <Pagefile Backed>
> 0x330000 0x2000 Data <Pagefile Backed>
> 0x390000 0x2000 Data <Pagefile Backed>
> 0x3A0000 0x2000 Data <Pagefile Backed>
> 0x3B0000 0x2000 Data <Pagefile Backed>
> 0x3C0000 0x2000 Data <Pagefile Backed>
> 0x3E0000 0x2000 Data <Pagefile Backed>
> 0x420000 0x5000 Data <Pagefile Backed>
> 0x425000 0xBB000 Data <Pagefile Backed>
> 0x4E0000 0x2000 Data <Pagefile Backed>
> 0x4E2000 0x6000 Data <Pagefile Backed>
> 0x4F0000 0x103000 Data <Pagefile Backed>
> 0x600000 0x9C000 Data <Pagefile Backed>
> 0x69C000 0x264000 Data <Pagefile Backed>
> 0xA00000 0x51000 Data <Pagefile Backed>
> 0xA70000 0xE000 Data <Pagefile Backed>
> 0xB60000 0x2000 Data <Pagefile Backed>
> 0xEE0000 0x2000 Data <Pagefile Backed>
> 0x1000000 0x1000 Data <Pagefile Backed>
> 0x1070000 0x2000 Data <Pagefile Backed>
> 0x1A00000 0x1000 Data <Pagefile Backed>
> 0x1B20000 0x2000 Data <Pagefile Backed>
> 0x1B30000 0x2000 Data <Pagefile Backed>
> 0x1E50000 0x1000 Data <Pagefile Backed>
> 0x1F60000 0x1000 Data <Pagefile Backed>
> 0x1F70000 0x2000 Data <Pagefile Backed>
> 0x7F6F0000 0x7000 Data <Pagefile Backed>
> 0x7F6F7000 0xF9000 Data <Pagefile Backed>
> 0x7FFB0000 0x24000 Data <Pagefile Backed>
> 0x77DD0000 0x9B000 Image Advanced Windows 32 Base API 5.01.2600.2180
> 8/4/2004 12:56 AM ADVAPI32.dll
> 0x77B40000 0x22000 Image Application Compatibility Client Library
> 5.01.2600.2180 8/4/2004 12:56 AM appHelp.dll
> 0x20000000 0x12000 Image Shell Browser UI Library 6.00.2900.2180
> 8/4/2004 12:56 AM browselc.dll
> 0x75F80000 0xFD000 Image Shell Browser UI Library 6.00.2900.3157
> 6/15/2007 1:12 AM BROWSEUI.dll
> 0x76FD0000 0x7F000 Image 2001.12.4414.0308 7/25/2005 9:39 PM CLBCATQ.DLL
> 0x773D0000 0x103000 Image User Experience Controls Library
> 6.00.2900.2982 8/25/2006 8:45 AM comctl32.dll
> 0x5D090000 0x9A000 Image Common Controls Library 5.82.2900.2982
> 8/25/2006 8:45 AM comctl32.dll
> 0x763B0000 0x49000 Image Common Dialogs DLL 6.00.2900.2180 8/4/2004
> 12:56 AM comdlg32.dll
> 0x77050000 0xC5000 Image 2001.12.4414.0258 8/4/2004 12:56 AM COMRes.dll
> 0x77A80000 0x94000 Image Crypto API32 5.131.2600.2180 8/4/2004 12:56 AM
> CRYPT32.dll
> 0x754D0000 0x80000 Image Microsoft Trust UI Provider 5.131.2600.2180
> 8/4/2004 12:56 AM CRYPTUI.dll
> 0x76600000 0x1D000 Image Offline Network Agent 5.01.2600.2180 8/4/2004
> 12:56 AM CSCDLL.dll
> 0x77A20000 0x54000 Image Client Side Caching UI 5.01.2600.2180 8/4/2004
> 12:56 AM cscui.dll
> 0x2000000 0x6000 Image ctagent 1.00.0000.0012 8/11/2006 2:56 PM ctagent.dll
> 0x350000 0x3000 Data 8/23/2001 5:00 AM ctype.nls
> 0x76F20000 0x27000 Image DNS Client API DLL 5.01.2600.2938 6/26/2006
> 10:37 AM DNSAPI.dll
> 0x16000000 0x28000 Image Trillian Event Control 3.01.0007.0000 7/19/2007
> 12:00 AM events.dll
> 0x69450000 0x16000 Image Windows Error Reporting 5.01.2600.2180 8/4/2004
> 12:56 AM faultrep.dll
> 0x10000000 0x1A000 Image FreeShade 1.00.0000.0004 9/27/2001 1:16 AM
> FreeShade.dll
> 0x77F10000 0x47000 Image GDI Client DLL 5.01.2600.3159 6/19/2007 6:31
> AM GDI32.dll
> 0x662B0000 0x58000 Image Home Networking Configuration Manager
> 5.01.2600.2180 8/4/2004 12:56 AM hnetcfg.dll
> 0x400000 0x19000 Image Internet Explorer 6.00.2900.2180 8/4/2004 12:56
> AM iexplore.exe
> 0x76C90000 0x28000 Image Windows NT Image Helper 5.01.2600.2180 8/4/2004
> 12:56 AM IMAGEHLP.dll
> 0x66880000 0xC000 Image IE plugin image decoder support DLL
> 6.00.2900.2180 8/4/2004 12:56 AM ImgUtil.dll
> 0x76390000 0x1D000 Image Windows XP IMM32 API Client DLL 5.01.2600.2180
> 8/4/2004 12:56 AM IMM32.DLL
> 0xB20000 0xC000 Data 10/9/2007 6:11 AM index.dat
> 0xB70000 0x174000 Data 10/9/2007 6:11 AM index.dat
> 0xCF0000 0x38000 Data 10/9/2007 6:11 AM index.dat
> 0x2EB0000 0x8000 Data 10/9/2007 6:11 AM index.dat
> 0x76D60000 0x19000 Image IP Helper API 5.01.2600.2912 5/19/2006 5:59 AM
> iphlpapi.dll
> 0x7C800000 0xF5000 Image Windows NT BASE API Client DLL 5.01.2600.3119
> 4/16/2007 8:52 AM kernel32.dll
> 0x290000 0x3D000 Data 7/17/2004 11:48 AM locale.nls
> 0x629C0000 0x9000 Image Language Pack 5.01.2600.2180 8/4/2004 12:56 AM
> LPK.DLL
> 0x2510000 0xA5000 Data 8/23/2001 5:00 AM mlang.dat
> 0x75CF0000 0x91000 Image Multi Language Support DLL 6.00.2900.2180
> 8/4/2004 12:56 AM mlang.dll
> 0x77B20000 0x12000 Image ASN.1 Runtime APIs 5.01.2600.2180 8/4/2004
> 12:56 AM MSASN1.dll
> 0x74720000 0x4B000 Image MSCTF Server DLL 5.01.2600.2180 8/4/2004
> 12:56 AM MSCTF.dll
> 0x755C0000 0x2E000 Image Microsoft Text Frame Work Service IME
> 5.01.2600.2180 8/4/2004 12:56 AM msctfime.ime
> 0x4AA00000 0x15000 Image Active Debugging Proxy/Stub 6.00.0000.8424
> 11/15/1999 10:46 AM MSDBG.DLL
> 0x7DC30000 0x2F2000 Image Microsoft (R) HTML Viewer 6.00.2900.3157
> 6/15/2007 1:12 AM mshtml.dll
> 0x7D1E0000 0x2BE000 Image Windows Installer 3.01.4000.4039 4/18/2007
> 9:12 AM msi.dll
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> 12:56 AM msimg32.dll
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> 12:56 AM msimtf.dll
> 0x7C000000 0xEA000 Image Microsoft® VM 5.00.3810.0000 2/28/2003 6:26 PM
> msjava.dll
> 0x746C0000 0x27000 Image Microsoft Line Services library file
> 3.10.0349.0000 8/23/2001 5:00 AM msls31.dll
> 0x77C70000 0x23000 Image Microsoft Authentication Package v1.0
> 5.01.2600.2180 8/4/2004 12:56 AM msv1_0.dll
> 0x7C340000 0x56000 Image Microsoft® C Runtime Library 7.10.3052.0004
> 9/25/2007 1:25 AM MSVCR71.dll
> 0x77C10000 0x58000 Image Windows NT CRT DLL 7.00.2600.2180 8/4/2004
> 12:56 AM msvcrt.dll
> 0x71A50000 0x3F000 Image Microsoft Windows Sockets 2.0 Service
> Provider 5.01.2600.2180 8/4/2004 12:56 AM mswsock.dll
> 0x5B860000 0x54000 Image Net Win32 API DLL 5.01.2600.2976 8/17/2006
> 5:28 AM NETAPI32.dll
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> ntdll.dll
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> 7/25/2005 9:39 PM ole32.dll
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> 0x5EDD0000 0x17000 Image 5.01.2600.2180 8/4/2004 12:56 AM olepro32.dll
> 0xFD0000 0x2F000 Image Orbitcth 2.02.0000.0001 9/20/2007 3:40 PM
> orbitcth.dll
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> 6/15/2007 1:12 AM pngfilt.dll
> 0x76BF0000 0xB000 Image Process Status Helper 5.01.2600.2180 8/4/2004
> 12:56 AM PSAPI.DLL
> 0x76FC0000 0x6000 Image Remote Access AutoDial Helper 5.01.2600.2938
> 6/26/2006 10:37 AM rasadhlp.dll
> 0x76EE0000 0x3C000 Image Remote Access API 5.01.2600.2180 8/4/2004
> 12:56 AM RASAPI32.DLL
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> 5.01.2600.2180 8/4/2004 12:56 AM rasman.dll
> 0x77E70000 0x91000 Image Remote Procedure Call Runtime 5.01.2600.2180
> 8/4/2004 12:56 AM RPCRT4.dll
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> 5.01.2600.2161 8/3/2004 10:31 PM rsaenh.dll
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> 12:56 AM rtutils.dll
> 0x1080000 0x11A000 Image SBSD IE Protection 1.05.0000.0008 8/31/2007
> 4:46 PM SDHelper.dll
> 0x77FE0000 0x11000 Image Security Support Provider Interface
> 5.01.2600.2180 8/4/2004 12:56 AM Secur32.dll
> 0x722B0000 0x5000 Image SENS Connectivity API DLL 5.01.2600.2180
> 8/4/2004 12:56 AM sensapi.dll
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