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Old 07-31-2007, 11:00 AM
Jeffrey Kaplan
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Returning to MSIE, questions/problems

Quite some time ago I switched from IE6 to Firefox. I upgraded IE to
v7 when it was released anyway, and currently still have it. After
some problems with Firefox 2.x, I switched to Opera. But now, due to
too many site incompatibilities I'm switching back to IE, using v7. And
I'm hitting some bumps along the way. Some minor annoyances, and some
"WTF?" moments.

Bookmark management: After migrating browsers a few times, my
Favorites in IE are no longer correct/current. I was able to find out
how to get my current set out of Opera and into IE, but now I've got
duplicates. Not all of them are dupes, but a fair number due to
reorganizing between my initial move away from IE and my move back. Is
there a programmatic way to check for dupes and take care of them? The
built-in bookmark management quite frankly sucks in IE.

Toolbars: Is there any way to move the "Command bar" off of the tab
bar space and onto its own line, or better yet, sharing the bar line
with the menu bar? Windows Explorer allows for that, as did prior
versions of IE. I'd rather use that space for more tabs.

RSS: Any decent RSS readers for IE7? The built-in one is severely
lacking in usability and what I've tried so far from the add-on site
are either no better or are actually worse (IMO). For examples of what
I'm looking for here, take a look at Sage or WIZZ for Firefox. It must
be able to import an OPML list and allow me to get rid of its default
set.

FTP: If I'm going to remove Firefox, I'll need something to replace
its FTP plugin, FireFTP.

Site login/password management: Is it based on autocomplete only? Or
is there any way I can get it to pre-fill login data when the page
loads, or on command? Not all of my login-enabled sites have the same
userid. This is on a personal home computer and is not shared, so I
don't have to worry about other users "accidentally" using my profile.

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Old 07-31-2007, 11:30 AM
Leonard Grey
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Re: Returning to MSIE, questions/problems

Hi Jeffrey:

"Is there a programmatic way to check for dupes and take care of them?"
No, but there must be a zillion applications you can download from the
internet that will do this for you.

"The built-in bookmark management quite frankly sucks in IE."
Particularly to a mad browser-hopper like you. There are a zillion and
one bookmark managers available on the internet. Go ye forth and download.

"Is there any way to move the "Command bar" off of the tab bar space and
onto its own line, or better yet, sharing the bar line with the menu bar?"
Not within IE 7 itself - not yet, at least.

"Any decent RSS readers for IE7?"
"If I'm going to remove Firefox, I'll need something to replace its FTP
plugin, FireFTP."
"Site login/password management: Is it based on autocomplete only?"
You really have this 'thing' against searching on the internet, don't you?

Too bad you can't find a browser that meets your exacting needs...but
there is such a thing as a software industry. Sheesh, I'd hate to be
your waiter in a restaurant.
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Jeffrey Kaplan wrote:
> Quite some time ago I switched from IE6 to Firefox. I upgraded IE to
> v7 when it was released anyway, and currently still have it. After
> some problems with Firefox 2.x, I switched to Opera. But now, due to
> too many site incompatibilities I'm switching back to IE, using v7. And
> I'm hitting some bumps along the way. Some minor annoyances, and some
> "WTF?" moments.
>
> Bookmark management: After migrating browsers a few times, my
> Favorites in IE are no longer correct/current. I was able to find out
> how to get my current set out of Opera and into IE, but now I've got
> duplicates. Not all of them are dupes, but a fair number due to
> reorganizing between my initial move away from IE and my move back. Is
> there a programmatic way to check for dupes and take care of them? The
> built-in bookmark management quite frankly sucks in IE.
>
> Toolbars: Is there any way to move the "Command bar" off of the tab
> bar space and onto its own line, or better yet, sharing the bar line
> with the menu bar? Windows Explorer allows for that, as did prior
> versions of IE. I'd rather use that space for more tabs.
>
> RSS: Any decent RSS readers for IE7? The built-in one is severely
> lacking in usability and what I've tried so far from the add-on site
> are either no better or are actually worse (IMO). For examples of what
> I'm looking for here, take a look at Sage or WIZZ for Firefox. It must
> be able to import an OPML list and allow me to get rid of its default
> set.
>
> FTP: If I'm going to remove Firefox, I'll need something to replace
> its FTP plugin, FireFTP.
>
> Site login/password management: Is it based on autocomplete only? Or
> is there any way I can get it to pre-fill login data when the page
> loads, or on command? Not all of my login-enabled sites have the same
> userid. This is on a personal home computer and is not shared, so I
> don't have to worry about other users "accidentally" using my profile.
>

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Old 07-31-2007, 12:10 PM
Jeffrey Kaplan
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Re: Returning to MSIE, questions/problems

It is alleged that Leonard Grey claimed:

> Too bad you can't find a browser that meets your exacting needs...but
> there is such a thing as a software industry. Sheesh, I'd hate to be
> your waiter in a restaurant.


Thank you so little for your comments. I think I'll wait and see if
anyone with actual help suggestions responds.

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Old 07-31-2007, 02:40 PM
Rob ^_^
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Re: Returning to MSIE, questions/problems

Hi Jeffrey,

Command Bar..... If you double click on the "|" gripper on the left of the
Command bar it will shrink or grow to reveal your tab leafs.
The same goes for your other addon toolbars and the menu bar. I place all of
my toolbars on the one line to maximise the vertical screen real
estate.(Beware the Google toolbar "Toolbar layout hijack").
A customizable toolbar layout (resize, reposition) is something the other
browsers are now lacking.

Regards.
"Jeffrey Kaplan" <nomail@gordol.org> wrote in message
news:p7rua3lvdsf27re74bi7vlkd65k2v008aq@gordol.org ...
> Quite some time ago I switched from IE6 to Firefox. I upgraded IE to
> v7 when it was released anyway, and currently still have it. After
> some problems with Firefox 2.x, I switched to Opera. But now, due to
> too many site incompatibilities I'm switching back to IE, using v7. And
> I'm hitting some bumps along the way. Some minor annoyances, and some
> "WTF?" moments.
>
> Bookmark management: After migrating browsers a few times, my
> Favorites in IE are no longer correct/current. I was able to find out
> how to get my current set out of Opera and into IE, but now I've got
> duplicates. Not all of them are dupes, but a fair number due to
> reorganizing between my initial move away from IE and my move back. Is
> there a programmatic way to check for dupes and take care of them? The
> built-in bookmark management quite frankly sucks in IE.
>
> Toolbars: Is there any way to move the "Command bar" off of the tab
> bar space and onto its own line, or better yet, sharing the bar line
> with the menu bar? Windows Explorer allows for that, as did prior
> versions of IE. I'd rather use that space for more tabs.
>
> RSS: Any decent RSS readers for IE7? The built-in one is severely
> lacking in usability and what I've tried so far from the add-on site
> are either no better or are actually worse (IMO). For examples of what
> I'm looking for here, take a look at Sage or WIZZ for Firefox. It must
> be able to import an OPML list and allow me to get rid of its default
> set.
>
> FTP: If I'm going to remove Firefox, I'll need something to replace
> its FTP plugin, FireFTP.
>
> Site login/password management: Is it based on autocomplete only? Or
> is there any way I can get it to pre-fill login data when the page
> loads, or on command? Not all of my login-enabled sites have the same
> userid. This is on a personal home computer and is not shared, so I
> don't have to worry about other users "accidentally" using my profile.
>
> --
> Jeffrey Kaplan www.gordol.org
> The from userid is killfiled Send personal mail to gordol
>
> I spilled Spot remover on my dog. Now he's gone. (Steven Wright)



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Old 07-31-2007, 03:00 PM
Jeffrey Kaplan
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Re: Returning to MSIE, questions/problems

It is alleged that Rob ^_^ claimed:

> Command Bar..... If you double click on the "|" gripper on the left of the
> Command bar it will shrink or grow to reveal your tab leafs.


I don't want to shrink it, I want to move it somewhere else.

> The same goes for your other addon toolbars and the menu bar. I place all of
> my toolbars on the one line to maximise the vertical screen real


I'd find such a layout impossible to use.

> estate.(Beware the Google toolbar "Toolbar layout hijack").


Never heard of it. What is it?

> A customizable toolbar layout (resize, reposition) is something the other
> browsers are now lacking.


OTOH, they don't reduce the Tab bar space by putting a non-moving tool
bar there either. Which is the only toolbar I want to move.

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Old 07-31-2007, 05:11 PM
Don Varnau
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"Jeffrey Kaplan" <nomail@gordol.org> wrote in message
news:p7rua3lvdsf27re74bi7vlkd65k2v008aq@gordol.org ...
> Quite some time ago I switched from IE6 to Firefox. I upgraded IE to
> v7 when it was released anyway, and currently still have it. After
> some problems with Firefox 2.x, I switched to Opera. But now, due to
> too many site incompatibilities I'm switching back to IE, using v7. And
> I'm hitting some bumps along the way. Some minor annoyances, and some
> "WTF?" moments.
>
> Bookmark management: After migrating browsers a few times, my
> Favorites in IE are no longer correct/current. I was able to find out
> how to get my current set out of Opera and into IE, but now I've got
> duplicates. Not all of them are dupes, but a fair number due to
> reorganizing between my initial move away from IE and my move back. Is
> there a programmatic way to check for dupes and take care of them? The
> built-in bookmark management quite frankly sucks in IE.


Do a websearch for duplicate file finder or freeware duplicate file finder.

[snip]

> FTP: If I'm going to remove Firefox, I'll need something to replace
> its FTP plugin, FireFTP.


Workaround: Go to My Network Places> Add Network Place. Follow the wizard to
add the FTP site. The URL format
ftp://username:password@domain.com should work.

If Network Places isn't on the desktop... Display Properties> Desktop>
Customize> check it.

Hope this helps,
Don
[MS MVP- IE]

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Old 07-31-2007, 05:50 PM
Rob ^_^
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Hi Jeffrey,

It takes a while to learn how to drive. Each model is slightly different. I
am not on the FF hate club, but I am impressed by the way IE7 design
features are better suited to the latest cpu/screen bundles from OEM's. FF
is an impressive and intuitive browser, but I feel that the latest versions
have not taken advantage of wide screen displays. Vertical screen space is
wasted on rarely used, or redundant toolbars and extensions.

Google toolbar layout hijack.....

Upon restarting IE, the Google toolbar occupies a line of the IE toolbar,
even after it has been moved to a users preference and the 'Lock the
Toolbars' context menu selected.

Basically the toolbar goes where it wants to go, not where the user puts it.

Gripper toolbar toggeling - each to his own. Wide screens are increasing in
use and gui design is changing to reflect the new aspect ratio of modern
display devices. Toolbars take up screen height, while Side Bars and the
Favorites center utilise unused screen width. Toolbar toggeling allows you
to have more toolbars without taking up additional (and valued) vertical
screen space. On the Command bar, double clicking the Command bar gripper
"|" will shrink the Command bar and expand the tabs, so you can view the
title of more tabs, double clicking on the Command bar gripper again will
expand the Command bar and shrink the tabs, taking you back to the 'default'
layout.

There were plenty of complaints when IE7 was in beta, nobody liked the new
interface features. The standard stock answer in this forum was.... Give it
time...you'll get used to it

I think that still applies, both to newbies and browser converts.

Regards.
"Jeffrey Kaplan" <nomail@gordol.org> wrote in message
news:esava3hcnpso0t7e7cb8sp0rbqjadbaq29@gordol.org ...
> It is alleged that Rob ^_^ claimed:
>
>> Command Bar..... If you double click on the "|" gripper on the left of
>> the
>> Command bar it will shrink or grow to reveal your tab leafs.

>
> I don't want to shrink it, I want to move it somewhere else.
>
>> The same goes for your other addon toolbars and the menu bar. I place all
>> of
>> my toolbars on the one line to maximise the vertical screen real

>
> I'd find such a layout impossible to use.
>
>> estate.(Beware the Google toolbar "Toolbar layout hijack").

>
> Never heard of it. What is it?
>
>> A customizable toolbar layout (resize, reposition) is something the other
>> browsers are now lacking.

>
> OTOH, they don't reduce the Tab bar space by putting a non-moving tool
> bar there either. Which is the only toolbar I want to move.
>
> --
> Jeffrey Kaplan www.gordol.org
> The from userid is killfiled Send personal mail to gordol
>
> If I Am Ever the Sidekick... 21. I will never open a package addressed
> to the Hero, or pick up his laundry, or perform other personal tasks on
> his behalf.



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Old 08-01-2007, 03:20 AM
Viktor Krammer
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Re: Returning to MSIE, questions/problems

Hello Jeffrey,

> Toolbars: Is there any way to move the "Command bar" off of the tab
> bar space and onto its own line, or better yet, sharing the bar line
> with the menu bar? Windows Explorer allows for that, as did prior
> versions of IE. I'd rather use that space for more tabs.


Unfortunately, you cannot relocate the command bar to another line, but you
can completely remove the command bar and use the menu bar instead.

To switch the command bar off, I have developed a small command line utility
(http://www.quero.at/launcher.php)

Run the following command once:
qlaunch.exe commandbar=no

To move the fixed address bar, I have replicated the navigation bar
functionality into a 3rd-party toolbar (www.quero.at) which can be moved
and resized again.

Best regards,

Viktor Krammer
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