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Old 02-06-2007, 05:46 PM
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Real Time clock Question

Hello,

I have a Toshiba laptop which keeps terrible
time and I was just wondering if anyone has
successfully adjusted the RTC in a laptop
to keep better time. I understand these quartz
clocks usually use an oscillator tuned to
32768Hz and if properly adjusted they keep pretty
good time but the trouble is that few if any of
the companies turning out these clocks actually
adjust them.

At the moment i set my clock fast by 6 seconds and
allow it to drift across zero for 6 additional
seconds this gives me 54 hours of usable RTC time.
But I would very much like to reduce that error
from its current loss of 1 second every 4.5
hours of elapsed time UTC.
I guess the oscillator needs to be speeded up
somehow.


The laptop of which I speak is a
Toshiba Satellite 205CDS.


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gmv



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Re: Real Time clock Question


"gmv" <noemail@please.123> wrote in message
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> Hello,
>
> I have a Toshiba laptop which keeps terrible
> time and I was just wondering if anyone has
> successfully adjusted the RTC in a laptop
> to keep better time. I understand these quartz
> clocks usually use an oscillator tuned to
> 32768Hz and if properly adjusted they keep pretty
> good time but the trouble is that few if any of
> the companies turning out these clocks actually
> adjust them.


They arent even adjustable anymore.

> At the moment i set my clock fast by 6 seconds and
> allow it to drift across zero for 6 additional
> seconds this gives me 54 hours of usable RTC time.
> But I would very much like to reduce that error
> from its current loss of 1 second every 4.5
> hours of elapsed time UTC.
> I guess the oscillator needs to be speeded up
> somehow.
>
>
> The laptop of which I speak is a
> Toshiba Satellite 205CDS.


I just have the system synch to atomic time whenever its on the net.


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Re: Real Time clock Question


"gmv" <noemail@please.123> wrote in message
news:NY7Od.56125$IV5.34751@attbi_s54...
> Hello,
>
> I have a Toshiba laptop which keeps terrible
> time and I was just wondering if anyone has
> successfully adjusted the RTC in a laptop
> to keep better time. I understand these quartz
> clocks usually use an oscillator tuned to
> 32768Hz and if properly adjusted they keep pretty
> good time but the trouble is that few if any of
> the companies turning out these clocks actually
> adjust them.


They arent even adjustable anymore.

> At the moment i set my clock fast by 6 seconds and
> allow it to drift across zero for 6 additional
> seconds this gives me 54 hours of usable RTC time.
> But I would very much like to reduce that error
> from its current loss of 1 second every 4.5
> hours of elapsed time UTC.
> I guess the oscillator needs to be speeded up
> somehow.
>
>
> The laptop of which I speak is a
> Toshiba Satellite 205CDS.


I just have the system synch to atomic time whenever its on the net.


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Re: Real Time clock Question


"gmv" <noemail@please.123> wrote in message
news:NY7Od.56125$IV5.34751@attbi_s54...
> Hello,
>
> I have a Toshiba laptop which keeps terrible
> time and I was just wondering if anyone has
> successfully adjusted the RTC in a laptop
> to keep better time. I understand these quartz
> clocks usually use an oscillator tuned to
> 32768Hz and if properly adjusted they keep pretty
> good time but the trouble is that few if any of
> the companies turning out these clocks actually
> adjust them.


They arent even adjustable anymore.

> At the moment i set my clock fast by 6 seconds and
> allow it to drift across zero for 6 additional
> seconds this gives me 54 hours of usable RTC time.
> But I would very much like to reduce that error
> from its current loss of 1 second every 4.5
> hours of elapsed time UTC.
> I guess the oscillator needs to be speeded up
> somehow.
>
>
> The laptop of which I speak is a
> Toshiba Satellite 205CDS.


I just have the system synch to atomic time whenever its on the net.


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Re: Real Time clock Question


"Rod Speed" <rod_speed******.com> wrote in message news:36soekF55j08oU1@individual.net...
>
> "gmv" <noemail@please.123> wrote in message news:NY7Od.56125$IV5.34751@attbi_s54...
>> Hello,
>>
>> I have a Toshiba laptop which keeps terrible
>> time and I was just wondering if anyone has
>> successfully adjusted the RTC in a laptop
>> to keep better time. I understand these quartz
>> clocks usually use an oscillator tuned to
>> 32768Hz and if properly adjusted they keep pretty
>> good time but the trouble is that few if any of
>> the companies turning out these clocks actually
>> adjust them.

>
> They arent even adjustable anymore.


I do not believe that, you can change oscillator freq
by adjusting circuit capacitance.
The manufacts try to keep you from doing this
I do believe...but where there is a will
there is a way.


>
>> At the moment i set my clock fast by 6 seconds and
>> allow it to drift across zero for 6 additional
>> seconds this gives me 54 hours of usable RTC time.
>> But I would very much like to reduce that error
>> from its current loss of 1 second every 4.5
>> hours of elapsed time UTC.
>> I guess the oscillator needs to be speeded up
>> somehow.
>>
>>
>> The laptop of which I speak is a
>> Toshiba Satellite 205CDS.

>
> I just have the system synch to atomic time whenever its on the net.


My laptop is free-running independent of the internet.
It is being used as a kind of datalogger.

>
>



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Re: Real Time clock Question


"Rod Speed" <rod_speed******.com> wrote in message news:36soekF55j08oU1@individual.net...
>
> "gmv" <noemail@please.123> wrote in message news:NY7Od.56125$IV5.34751@attbi_s54...
>> Hello,
>>
>> I have a Toshiba laptop which keeps terrible
>> time and I was just wondering if anyone has
>> successfully adjusted the RTC in a laptop
>> to keep better time. I understand these quartz
>> clocks usually use an oscillator tuned to
>> 32768Hz and if properly adjusted they keep pretty
>> good time but the trouble is that few if any of
>> the companies turning out these clocks actually
>> adjust them.

>
> They arent even adjustable anymore.


I do not believe that, you can change oscillator freq
by adjusting circuit capacitance.
The manufacts try to keep you from doing this
I do believe...but where there is a will
there is a way.


>
>> At the moment i set my clock fast by 6 seconds and
>> allow it to drift across zero for 6 additional
>> seconds this gives me 54 hours of usable RTC time.
>> But I would very much like to reduce that error
>> from its current loss of 1 second every 4.5
>> hours of elapsed time UTC.
>> I guess the oscillator needs to be speeded up
>> somehow.
>>
>>
>> The laptop of which I speak is a
>> Toshiba Satellite 205CDS.

>
> I just have the system synch to atomic time whenever its on the net.


My laptop is free-running independent of the internet.
It is being used as a kind of datalogger.

>
>



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Re: Real Time clock Question


"Rod Speed" <rod_speed******.com> wrote in message news:36soekF55j08oU1@individual.net...
>
> "gmv" <noemail@please.123> wrote in message news:NY7Od.56125$IV5.34751@attbi_s54...
>> Hello,
>>
>> I have a Toshiba laptop which keeps terrible
>> time and I was just wondering if anyone has
>> successfully adjusted the RTC in a laptop
>> to keep better time. I understand these quartz
>> clocks usually use an oscillator tuned to
>> 32768Hz and if properly adjusted they keep pretty
>> good time but the trouble is that few if any of
>> the companies turning out these clocks actually
>> adjust them.

>
> They arent even adjustable anymore.


I do not believe that, you can change oscillator freq
by adjusting circuit capacitance.
The manufacts try to keep you from doing this
I do believe...but where there is a will
there is a way.


>
>> At the moment i set my clock fast by 6 seconds and
>> allow it to drift across zero for 6 additional
>> seconds this gives me 54 hours of usable RTC time.
>> But I would very much like to reduce that error
>> from its current loss of 1 second every 4.5
>> hours of elapsed time UTC.
>> I guess the oscillator needs to be speeded up
>> somehow.
>>
>>
>> The laptop of which I speak is a
>> Toshiba Satellite 205CDS.

>
> I just have the system synch to atomic time whenever its on the net.


My laptop is free-running independent of the internet.
It is being used as a kind of datalogger.

>
>



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Re: Real Time clock Question

gmv wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I have a Toshiba laptop which keeps terrible
> time and I was just wondering if anyone has
> successfully adjusted the RTC in a laptop
> to keep better time. I understand these quartz
> clocks usually use an oscillator tuned to
> 32768Hz and if properly adjusted they keep pretty
> good time but the trouble is that few if any of
> the companies turning out these clocks actually
> adjust them.
>
> At the moment i set my clock fast by 6 seconds and
> allow it to drift across zero for 6 additional
> seconds this gives me 54 hours of usable RTC time.
> But I would very much like to reduce that error
> from its current loss of 1 second every 4.5
> hours of elapsed time UTC.
> I guess the oscillator needs to be speeded up
> somehow.
>
>
> The laptop of which I speak is a
> Toshiba Satellite 205CDS.
>
>


If you connect your laptop to the Internet on a regular basis would it
not be simpler to set your clock to adjust with a time server.
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Re: Real Time clock Question

gmv wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I have a Toshiba laptop which keeps terrible
> time and I was just wondering if anyone has
> successfully adjusted the RTC in a laptop
> to keep better time. I understand these quartz
> clocks usually use an oscillator tuned to
> 32768Hz and if properly adjusted they keep pretty
> good time but the trouble is that few if any of
> the companies turning out these clocks actually
> adjust them.
>
> At the moment i set my clock fast by 6 seconds and
> allow it to drift across zero for 6 additional
> seconds this gives me 54 hours of usable RTC time.
> But I would very much like to reduce that error
> from its current loss of 1 second every 4.5
> hours of elapsed time UTC.
> I guess the oscillator needs to be speeded up
> somehow.
>
>
> The laptop of which I speak is a
> Toshiba Satellite 205CDS.
>
>


If you connect your laptop to the Internet on a regular basis would it
not be simpler to set your clock to adjust with a time server.
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Re: Real Time clock Question

gmv wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I have a Toshiba laptop which keeps terrible
> time and I was just wondering if anyone has
> successfully adjusted the RTC in a laptop
> to keep better time. I understand these quartz
> clocks usually use an oscillator tuned to
> 32768Hz and if properly adjusted they keep pretty
> good time but the trouble is that few if any of
> the companies turning out these clocks actually
> adjust them.
>
> At the moment i set my clock fast by 6 seconds and
> allow it to drift across zero for 6 additional
> seconds this gives me 54 hours of usable RTC time.
> But I would very much like to reduce that error
> from its current loss of 1 second every 4.5
> hours of elapsed time UTC.
> I guess the oscillator needs to be speeded up
> somehow.
>
>
> The laptop of which I speak is a
> Toshiba Satellite 205CDS.
>
>


If you connect your laptop to the Internet on a regular basis would it
not be simpler to set your clock to adjust with a time server.
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"JD" <JD@No.Reply.sorry.com> wrote in message news:42093b32$0$4083$db0fefd9@news.zen.co.uk...
> gmv wrote:
>> Hello,
>>
>> I have a Toshiba laptop which keeps terrible
>> time and I was just wondering if anyone has
>> successfully adjusted the RTC in a laptop
>> to keep better time. I understand these quartz
>> clocks usually use an oscillator tuned to
>> 32768Hz and if properly adjusted they keep pretty
>> good time but the trouble is that few if any of
>> the companies turning out these clocks actually
>> adjust them.
>>
>> At the moment i set my clock fast by 6 seconds and
>> allow it to drift across zero for 6 additional
>> seconds this gives me 54 hours of usable RTC time.
>> But I would very much like to reduce that error
>> from its current loss of 1 second every 4.5
>> hours of elapsed time UTC.
>> I guess the oscillator needs to be speeded up
>> somehow.
>>
>>
>> The laptop of which I speak is a
>> Toshiba Satellite 205CDS.
>>
>>

>
> If you connect your laptop to the Internet on a regular basis would it not be simpler to set your clock to adjust with a time
> server.


Like i told the other fellow my laptop
is free standing, independent of the internet.
I am using it to log Earthquakes.



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"JD" <JD@No.Reply.sorry.com> wrote in message news:42093b32$0$4083$db0fefd9@news.zen.co.uk...
> gmv wrote:
>> Hello,
>>
>> I have a Toshiba laptop which keeps terrible
>> time and I was just wondering if anyone has
>> successfully adjusted the RTC in a laptop
>> to keep better time. I understand these quartz
>> clocks usually use an oscillator tuned to
>> 32768Hz and if properly adjusted they keep pretty
>> good time but the trouble is that few if any of
>> the companies turning out these clocks actually
>> adjust them.
>>
>> At the moment i set my clock fast by 6 seconds and
>> allow it to drift across zero for 6 additional
>> seconds this gives me 54 hours of usable RTC time.
>> But I would very much like to reduce that error
>> from its current loss of 1 second every 4.5
>> hours of elapsed time UTC.
>> I guess the oscillator needs to be speeded up
>> somehow.
>>
>>
>> The laptop of which I speak is a
>> Toshiba Satellite 205CDS.
>>
>>

>
> If you connect your laptop to the Internet on a regular basis would it not be simpler to set your clock to adjust with a time
> server.


Like i told the other fellow my laptop
is free standing, independent of the internet.
I am using it to log Earthquakes.



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"JD" <JD@No.Reply.sorry.com> wrote in message news:42093b32$0$4083$db0fefd9@news.zen.co.uk...
> gmv wrote:
>> Hello,
>>
>> I have a Toshiba laptop which keeps terrible
>> time and I was just wondering if anyone has
>> successfully adjusted the RTC in a laptop
>> to keep better time. I understand these quartz
>> clocks usually use an oscillator tuned to
>> 32768Hz and if properly adjusted they keep pretty
>> good time but the trouble is that few if any of
>> the companies turning out these clocks actually
>> adjust them.
>>
>> At the moment i set my clock fast by 6 seconds and
>> allow it to drift across zero for 6 additional
>> seconds this gives me 54 hours of usable RTC time.
>> But I would very much like to reduce that error
>> from its current loss of 1 second every 4.5
>> hours of elapsed time UTC.
>> I guess the oscillator needs to be speeded up
>> somehow.
>>
>>
>> The laptop of which I speak is a
>> Toshiba Satellite 205CDS.
>>
>>

>
> If you connect your laptop to the Internet on a regular basis would it not be simpler to set your clock to adjust with a time
> server.


Like i told the other fellow my laptop
is free standing, independent of the internet.
I am using it to log Earthquakes.



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"gmv" <noemail@please.123> wrote in message
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>
> "Rod Speed" <rod_speed******.com> wrote in message
> news:36soekF55j08oU1@individual.net...
>>
>> "gmv" <noemail@please.123> wrote in message
>> news:NY7Od.56125$IV5.34751@attbi_s54...
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> I have a Toshiba laptop which keeps terrible
>>> time and I was just wondering if anyone has
>>> successfully adjusted the RTC in a laptop
>>> to keep better time. I understand these quartz
>>> clocks usually use an oscillator tuned to
>>> 32768Hz and if properly adjusted they keep pretty
>>> good time but the trouble is that few if any of
>>> the companies turning out these clocks actually
>>> adjust them.

>>
>> They arent even adjustable anymore.

>
> I do not believe that, you can change oscillator freq
> by adjusting circuit capacitance.
> The manufacts try to keep you from doing this
> I do believe...but where there is a will
> there is a way.
>

There aren't adjustable components put in for this any more. Sure, you could
'change the circuit capacitance', maybe by scratching some track away or
something, but it's scarcely a 'user adjustment'. Networked atomic syncing
is apparently assumed these days.

Ken


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"gmv" <noemail@please.123> wrote in message
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>
> "Rod Speed" <rod_speed******.com> wrote in message
> news:36soekF55j08oU1@individual.net...
>>
>> "gmv" <noemail@please.123> wrote in message
>> news:NY7Od.56125$IV5.34751@attbi_s54...
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> I have a Toshiba laptop which keeps terrible
>>> time and I was just wondering if anyone has
>>> successfully adjusted the RTC in a laptop
>>> to keep better time. I understand these quartz
>>> clocks usually use an oscillator tuned to
>>> 32768Hz and if properly adjusted they keep pretty
>>> good time but the trouble is that few if any of
>>> the companies turning out these clocks actually
>>> adjust them.

>>
>> They arent even adjustable anymore.

>
> I do not believe that, you can change oscillator freq
> by adjusting circuit capacitance.
> The manufacts try to keep you from doing this
> I do believe...but where there is a will
> there is a way.
>

There aren't adjustable components put in for this any more. Sure, you could
'change the circuit capacitance', maybe by scratching some track away or
something, but it's scarcely a 'user adjustment'. Networked atomic syncing
is apparently assumed these days.

Ken


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