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Old 02-06-2007, 05:40 PM
MegaBuck$
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Need Help...I may not know what I am doing.

I am not sure if this is the right group for inquiries like this one but it
seemed like a good spot to start.

I got a phone call from my mother-in-law saying that when she hits the power
switch on her e-machine nothing happens. She gets no lights or noises that
are normally expected during power-up. She asks me to come over to try to
fix it if I can.

When I get there I of course check to make sure that everything is plugged
in her power strip is turned on. everything looked normal. She has had
this machine for several years and has not had really any serious problems
with it until now.

I thought that she may have a bad power supply. I wasn't sure if power
supplies routinely go bad or not but I tested the one that was in the box
with a multimeter and did not get any readings from any of the peripheral
connectors.

I then went down to the local electronics store (Fry's) and purchased a new
power supply with the same specs as the original and returned to install it
for her.

Now here is the issue that I am trying to deal with. I installed the unit
in her machine and plugged in all the harnesses where they should be.
However, when I plugged the main power cord, both the fans (CPU fan as well
as the one inside the power supply) started turning slowly and I still
cannot get the machine to power up.

I am fairly confident that her original PS is bad because I brought it home
and tried to install that one in my computer and it did not work. The one
that I purchased is good because it is powering my PC even as I type this.

What I am wondering is, did I miss something? Could there be a problem with
either the MB or with the power switch?

Please help me out. Reply to the group(s) or you can email me directly.
Thanks in advance.

Gerry Morgan


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Old 02-06-2007, 05:40 PM
Gort
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Re: Need Help...I may not know what I am doing.

Kadaitcha Man wrote:
> Brand-X, <Bland-X********.com>, the open-headed, febrile chimp, and
> assistant to the shot firer in the pits, aired:
>
>
>>Kadaitcha Man's victory over illiteracy was shortlived, but Kadaitcha
>>Man, ever determined to seize the moment, enlightened us with this
>>exquisite little pearler . . .

>
>
>>>>Kadaitcha Man replies to Bill Baka's <bbaka@syix.com> multiple death
>>>>threats: You make death threats [against me] therefore someone else
>>>>has mental issues? BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! I hope the police blow your
>>>>****ing brains out all over the footpath where the dogs like to
>>>>****. Gar'n get ****ed, ya bloody poofter.

>>
>>
>>Have you had death threats on usenet ?

>
>
> That's a joke, right? I get several threats a week and collect on average
> two, and sometimes five, stalkers a week. The death threats are interspersed
> amongst innumerable threats of "I will find you and fix you," or more
> recently, two from this week alone, "I will find you and put a stop to
> this", and "I will find you and kick your teeth in."
>
> Here are some of my encounters with stalkers and nutters:
> http://peanut-gallery.kadaitcha.cx/foremerly.html
> http://peanut-gallery.kadaitcha.cx/ravingmad.html
> http://peanut-gallery.kadaitcha.cx/nemesis.html
>
> Main page: http://peanut-gallery.kadaitcha.cx/main.html
> Complaints page: http://peanut-gallery.kadaitcha.cx/index.html
>
> I seem to have a knack for locating and pressing the netloon button.
>
>
>
>

"Birds of a feather" thing, no doubt.
However, anyone that finds you threatening needs a mental exam.



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Re: Need Help...I may not know what I am doing.

Kadaitcha Man wrote:
> Brand-X, <Bland-X********.com>, the open-headed, febrile chimp, and
> assistant to the shot firer in the pits, aired:
>
>
>>Kadaitcha Man's victory over illiteracy was shortlived, but Kadaitcha
>>Man, ever determined to seize the moment, enlightened us with this
>>exquisite little pearler . . .

>
>
>>>>Kadaitcha Man replies to Bill Baka's <bbaka@syix.com> multiple death
>>>>threats: You make death threats [against me] therefore someone else
>>>>has mental issues? BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! I hope the police blow your
>>>>****ing brains out all over the footpath where the dogs like to
>>>>****. Gar'n get ****ed, ya bloody poofter.

>>
>>
>>Have you had death threats on usenet ?

>
>
> That's a joke, right? I get several threats a week and collect on average
> two, and sometimes five, stalkers a week. The death threats are interspersed
> amongst innumerable threats of "I will find you and fix you," or more
> recently, two from this week alone, "I will find you and put a stop to
> this", and "I will find you and kick your teeth in."
>
> Here are some of my encounters with stalkers and nutters:
> http://peanut-gallery.kadaitcha.cx/foremerly.html
> http://peanut-gallery.kadaitcha.cx/ravingmad.html
> http://peanut-gallery.kadaitcha.cx/nemesis.html
>
> Main page: http://peanut-gallery.kadaitcha.cx/main.html
> Complaints page: http://peanut-gallery.kadaitcha.cx/index.html
>
> I seem to have a knack for locating and pressing the netloon button.
>
>
>
>

"Birds of a feather" thing, no doubt.
However, anyone that finds you threatening needs a mental exam.



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Old 02-06-2007, 05:40 PM
RBM
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Re: Need Help...I may not know what I am doing.

I would disconnect the switches to the front of the machine and see if it
still turns on the fans, if so I think you have a bad motherboard
"MegaBuck$" <gerry.morgan@nospam.cox.net> wrote in message
news:QzWId.8221$0B.4890@fed1read02...
>I am not sure if this is the right group for inquiries like this one but it
>seemed like a good spot to start.
>
> I got a phone call from my mother-in-law saying that when she hits the
> power switch on her e-machine nothing happens. She gets no lights or
> noises that are normally expected during power-up. She asks me to come
> over to try to fix it if I can.
>
> When I get there I of course check to make sure that everything is plugged
> in her power strip is turned on. everything looked normal. She has had
> this machine for several years and has not had really any serious problems
> with it until now.
>
> I thought that she may have a bad power supply. I wasn't sure if power
> supplies routinely go bad or not but I tested the one that was in the box
> with a multimeter and did not get any readings from any of the peripheral
> connectors.
>
> I then went down to the local electronics store (Fry's) and purchased a
> new power supply with the same specs as the original and returned to
> install it for her.
>
> Now here is the issue that I am trying to deal with. I installed the unit
> in her machine and plugged in all the harnesses where they should be.
> However, when I plugged the main power cord, both the fans (CPU fan as
> well as the one inside the power supply) started turning slowly and I
> still cannot get the machine to power up.
>
> I am fairly confident that her original PS is bad because I brought it
> home and tried to install that one in my computer and it did not work.
> The one that I purchased is good because it is powering my PC even as I
> type this.
>
> What I am wondering is, did I miss something? Could there be a problem
> with either the MB or with the power switch?
>
> Please help me out. Reply to the group(s) or you can email me directly.
> Thanks in advance.
>
> Gerry Morgan
>



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Old 02-06-2007, 05:40 PM
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Re: Need Help...I may not know what I am doing.

"Gort" <Gort@uranus.not> wrote in message
news:_96dnbA8u41ruWjcRVn-1g@comcast.com
> Kadaitcha Man wrote:
>> Brand-X, <Bland-X********.com>, the open-headed, febrile chimp, and
>> assistant to the shot firer in the pits, aired:
>>
>>
>>> Kadaitcha Man's victory over illiteracy was shortlived, but
>>> Kadaitcha Man, ever determined to seize the moment, enlightened us
>>> with this exquisite little pearler . . .

>>
>>
>>>>> Kadaitcha Man replies to Bill Baka's <bbaka@syix.com> multiple
>>>>> death threats: You make death threats [against me] therefore
>>>>> someone else has mental issues? BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! I hope the
>>>>> police blow your ****ing brains out all over the footpath where
>>>>> the dogs like to ****. Gar'n get ****ed, ya bloody poofter.
>>>
>>>
>>> Have you had death threats on usenet ?

>>
>>
>> That's a joke, right? I get several threats a week and collect on
>> average two, and sometimes five, stalkers a week. The death threats
>> are interspersed amongst innumerable threats of "I will find you and
>> fix you," or more recently, two from this week alone, "I will find
>> you and put a stop to this", and "I will find you and kick your
>> teeth in." Here are some of my encounters with stalkers and nutters:
>> http://peanut-gallery.kadaitcha.cx/foremerly.html
>> http://peanut-gallery.kadaitcha.cx/ravingmad.html
>> http://peanut-gallery.kadaitcha.cx/nemesis.html
>>
>> Main page: http://peanut-gallery.kadaitcha.cx/main.html
>> Complaints page: http://peanut-gallery.kadaitcha.cx/index.html
>>
>> I seem to have a knack for locating and pressing the netloon button.
>>

>
> However, anyone that finds you threatening needs a mental exam.


Perhaps you can explain why you are unable to let go then, eh?

--
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Old 02-06-2007, 05:40 PM
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Re: Need Help...I may not know what I am doing.

"Gort" <Gort@uranus.not> wrote in message
news:_96dnbA8u41ruWjcRVn-1g@comcast.com
> Kadaitcha Man wrote:
>> Brand-X, <Bland-X********.com>, the open-headed, febrile chimp, and
>> assistant to the shot firer in the pits, aired:
>>
>>
>>> Kadaitcha Man's victory over illiteracy was shortlived, but
>>> Kadaitcha Man, ever determined to seize the moment, enlightened us
>>> with this exquisite little pearler . . .

>>
>>
>>>>> Kadaitcha Man replies to Bill Baka's <bbaka@syix.com> multiple
>>>>> death threats: You make death threats [against me] therefore
>>>>> someone else has mental issues? BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! I hope the
>>>>> police blow your ****ing brains out all over the footpath where
>>>>> the dogs like to ****. Gar'n get ****ed, ya bloody poofter.
>>>
>>>
>>> Have you had death threats on usenet ?

>>
>>
>> That's a joke, right? I get several threats a week and collect on
>> average two, and sometimes five, stalkers a week. The death threats
>> are interspersed amongst innumerable threats of "I will find you and
>> fix you," or more recently, two from this week alone, "I will find
>> you and put a stop to this", and "I will find you and kick your
>> teeth in." Here are some of my encounters with stalkers and nutters:
>> http://peanut-gallery.kadaitcha.cx/foremerly.html
>> http://peanut-gallery.kadaitcha.cx/ravingmad.html
>> http://peanut-gallery.kadaitcha.cx/nemesis.html
>>
>> Main page: http://peanut-gallery.kadaitcha.cx/main.html
>> Complaints page: http://peanut-gallery.kadaitcha.cx/index.html
>>
>> I seem to have a knack for locating and pressing the netloon button.
>>

>
> However, anyone that finds you threatening needs a mental exam.


Perhaps you can explain why you are unable to let go then, eh?

--
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Old 02-06-2007, 05:40 PM
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Re: Need Help...I may not know what I am doing.

Reinstall the power supply and make sure that all connections are secure and
that cpu, memory and add-in cards are properly seated.
If the computer will not post, if you do not hear a beep and see the BIOS
data on the monitor then it is indeed likely the motherboard was damaged by
whatever event killed the power supply. If you hear the hard drives spinning
up they are probably ok.
Unfortunately the cpu, memory chips and add-in cards could also have been
damaged.
The power supply may have died a natural death and took the motherboard with
it. However unless you have a surge suppressor of at least intermediate
quality power surges can do this also: I lost two computers several years
ago before I learned that lesson the hard way.


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Old 02-06-2007, 05:40 PM
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Re: Need Help...I may not know what I am doing.

Brand-X, <Bland-X********.com>, the stopped up, meaningless garbage
collector, and street sweeper, cowered:

> Kadaitcha Man's victory over illiteracy was shortlived, but Kadaitcha
> Man, ever determined to seize the moment, enlightened us with this
> exquisite little pearler . . .


> There sure are some psychos out there aren't there


I very rarely go back to a post and make another reply, but in your case I'm
making an exception after seeing your posts under a different nick in
24hour****up.idiotdesk.

I have you down as a potential stalker and a dead-cert for an all-round
lunatic. Hang around. Maybe everyone will get to see how to push some ****
over the edge. That's a metaphor for forcing you to show your true colours.




--
Kadaitcha Man replies to Bill Baka's <bbaka@syix.com> multiple death
threats: You make death threats [against me] therefore someone else
has mental issues? BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! I hope the police blow your
****ing brains out all over the footpath where the dogs like to ****.
Gar'n get ****ed, ya bloody poofter.

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Re: Need Help...I may not know what I am doing.

Brand-X, <Bland-X********.com>, the stopped up, meaningless garbage
collector, and street sweeper, cowered:

> Kadaitcha Man's victory over illiteracy was shortlived, but Kadaitcha
> Man, ever determined to seize the moment, enlightened us with this
> exquisite little pearler . . .


> There sure are some psychos out there aren't there


I very rarely go back to a post and make another reply, but in your case I'm
making an exception after seeing your posts under a different nick in
24hour****up.idiotdesk.

I have you down as a potential stalker and a dead-cert for an all-round
lunatic. Hang around. Maybe everyone will get to see how to push some ****
over the edge. That's a metaphor for forcing you to show your true colours.




--
Kadaitcha Man replies to Bill Baka's <bbaka@syix.com> multiple death
threats: You make death threats [against me] therefore someone else
has mental issues? BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! I hope the police blow your
****ing brains out all over the footpath where the dogs like to ****.
Gar'n get ****ed, ya bloody poofter.

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Old 02-06-2007, 05:40 PM
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Re: Need Help...I may not know what I am doing.

bmoag, <apquilts@pacbell.net>, the streptococcal, unsightly cockroach, and
shyster lawyer, pressured:


>> e-machine


> Reinstall the power supply and make sure that all connections are
> secure and that cpu, memory and add-in cards are properly seated.


BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!




--
Kadaitcha Man replies to Bill Baka's <bbaka@syix.com> multiple death
threats: You make death threats [against me] therefore someone else
has mental issues? BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! I hope the police blow your
****ing brains out all over the footpath where the dogs like to ****.
Gar'n get ****ed, ya bloody poofter.

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Re: Need Help...I may not know what I am doing.

Gloria Goitre wrote:
> "Gort" <Gort@uranus.not> wrote in message
> news:_96dnbA8u41ruWjcRVn-1g@comcast.com
>
>>Kadaitcha Man wrote:
>>
>>>Brand-X, <Bland-X********.com>, the open-headed, febrile chimp, and
>>>assistant to the shot firer in the pits, aired:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Kadaitcha Man's victory over illiteracy was shortlived, but
>>>>Kadaitcha Man, ever determined to seize the moment, enlightened us
>>>>with this exquisite little pearler . . .
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>Kadaitcha Man replies to Bill Baka's <bbaka@syix.com> multiple
>>>>>>death threats: You make death threats [against me] therefore
>>>>>>someone else has mental issues? BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! I hope the
>>>>>>police blow your ****ing brains out all over the footpath where
>>>>>>the dogs like to ****. Gar'n get ****ed, ya bloody poofter.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Have you had death threats on usenet ?
>>>
>>>
>>>That's a joke, right? I get several threats a week and collect on
>>>average two, and sometimes five, stalkers a week. The death threats
>>>are interspersed amongst innumerable threats of "I will find you and
>>>fix you," or more recently, two from this week alone, "I will find
>>>you and put a stop to this", and "I will find you and kick your
>>>teeth in." Here are some of my encounters with stalkers and nutters:
>>>http://peanut-gallery.kadaitcha.cx/foremerly.html
>>>http://peanut-gallery.kadaitcha.cx/ravingmad.html
>>>http://peanut-gallery.kadaitcha.cx/nemesis.html
>>>
>>>Main page: http://peanut-gallery.kadaitcha.cx/main.html
>>>Complaints page: http://peanut-gallery.kadaitcha.cx/index.html
>>>
>>>I seem to have a knack for locating and pressing the netloon button.
>>>

>>
>>However, anyone that finds you threatening needs a mental exam.

>
>
> Perhaps you can explain why you are unable to let go then, eh?
>


Let go hell ! I wouldn't get within 25 yards of you, much less touch you.



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Re: Need Help...I may not know what I am doing.

Gloria Goitre wrote:
> "Gort" <Gort@uranus.not> wrote in message
> news:_96dnbA8u41ruWjcRVn-1g@comcast.com
>
>>Kadaitcha Man wrote:
>>
>>>Brand-X, <Bland-X********.com>, the open-headed, febrile chimp, and
>>>assistant to the shot firer in the pits, aired:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Kadaitcha Man's victory over illiteracy was shortlived, but
>>>>Kadaitcha Man, ever determined to seize the moment, enlightened us
>>>>with this exquisite little pearler . . .
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>Kadaitcha Man replies to Bill Baka's <bbaka@syix.com> multiple
>>>>>>death threats: You make death threats [against me] therefore
>>>>>>someone else has mental issues? BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! I hope the
>>>>>>police blow your ****ing brains out all over the footpath where
>>>>>>the dogs like to ****. Gar'n get ****ed, ya bloody poofter.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Have you had death threats on usenet ?
>>>
>>>
>>>That's a joke, right? I get several threats a week and collect on
>>>average two, and sometimes five, stalkers a week. The death threats
>>>are interspersed amongst innumerable threats of "I will find you and
>>>fix you," or more recently, two from this week alone, "I will find
>>>you and put a stop to this", and "I will find you and kick your
>>>teeth in." Here are some of my encounters with stalkers and nutters:
>>>http://peanut-gallery.kadaitcha.cx/foremerly.html
>>>http://peanut-gallery.kadaitcha.cx/ravingmad.html
>>>http://peanut-gallery.kadaitcha.cx/nemesis.html
>>>
>>>Main page: http://peanut-gallery.kadaitcha.cx/main.html
>>>Complaints page: http://peanut-gallery.kadaitcha.cx/index.html
>>>
>>>I seem to have a knack for locating and pressing the netloon button.
>>>

>>
>>However, anyone that finds you threatening needs a mental exam.

>
>
> Perhaps you can explain why you are unable to let go then, eh?
>


Let go hell ! I wouldn't get within 25 yards of you, much less touch you.



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Re: Need Help...I may not know what I am doing.

Kadaitcha Man's victory over illiteracy was shortlived, but Kadaitcha
Man, ever determined to seize the moment, enlightened us with this
exquisite little pearler . . .
>> Brand-X, <Bland-X********.com>, the stopped up, meaningless garbage
>> collector, and street sweeper, cowered:
>>
>>> Kadaitcha Man's victory over illiteracy was shortlived, but
>>> Kadaitcha Man, ever determined to seize the moment, enlightened us
>>> with this exquisite little pearler . . .

>>
>>> There sure are some psychos out there aren't there

>>
>> I very rarely go back to a post and make another reply, but in your
>> case I'm making an exception after seeing your posts under a
>> different nick in 24hour****up.idiotdesk.
>>
>> I have you down as a potential stalker and a dead-cert for an
>> all-round lunatic. Hang around.


Hey why not, nothing better to do. Thanks !

>>Maybe everyone will get to see how
>> to push some **** over the edge.


Really? I have my own stalkers and death threateners to worry about digger,
I like it when they meltdown too. so what happens when they out your
arddress and then can't get at you over the phone when you change your
number. It drives them nuts. ****ing nuts !

And they get a name for themselves at alt.usenet.kooks.
The empire does not look favourably on them that killfile, out, threaten and
makes life hard for those of us with a sense of humour.
Ever seen a 400 post a day NG wiped out in a week and done in the nicest
possible way too not a hint of bad language, or antisocial behaviour, anyone
could have joined their posts.

>> That's a metaphor for forcing you
>> to show your true colours.
>>


Oh, I speak 'strayan too.
here's one of my fans in meltdown mode . . .
----------------------------------------------------------
>>><me> Hey boy, go fetch my documents.

>><fanboi> That's it, You forget, WE
>>KNOW WHERE YOU LIVE, WHERE YOU WORK,
>>WHAT KIND OF HOUSE YOU LIVE IN.


> Did you see that red car cruising past yesterday afternoon ?

They
> got photos of your house, which we'll be posting somewhere soon,

-------------------------------------------------------------------------
There's one born every minute.


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Re: Need Help...I may not know what I am doing.

Kadaitcha Man's victory over illiteracy was shortlived, but Kadaitcha
Man, ever determined to seize the moment, enlightened us with this
exquisite little pearler . . .
>> Brand-X, <Bland-X********.com>, the stopped up, meaningless garbage
>> collector, and street sweeper, cowered:
>>
>>> Kadaitcha Man's victory over illiteracy was shortlived, but
>>> Kadaitcha Man, ever determined to seize the moment, enlightened us
>>> with this exquisite little pearler . . .

>>
>>> There sure are some psychos out there aren't there

>>
>> I very rarely go back to a post and make another reply, but in your
>> case I'm making an exception after seeing your posts under a
>> different nick in 24hour****up.idiotdesk.
>>
>> I have you down as a potential stalker and a dead-cert for an
>> all-round lunatic. Hang around.


Hey why not, nothing better to do. Thanks !

>>Maybe everyone will get to see how
>> to push some **** over the edge.


Really? I have my own stalkers and death threateners to worry about digger,
I like it when they meltdown too. so what happens when they out your
arddress and then can't get at you over the phone when you change your
number. It drives them nuts. ****ing nuts !

And they get a name for themselves at alt.usenet.kooks.
The empire does not look favourably on them that killfile, out, threaten and
makes life hard for those of us with a sense of humour.
Ever seen a 400 post a day NG wiped out in a week and done in the nicest
possible way too not a hint of bad language, or antisocial behaviour, anyone
could have joined their posts.

>> That's a metaphor for forcing you
>> to show your true colours.
>>


Oh, I speak 'strayan too.
here's one of my fans in meltdown mode . . .
----------------------------------------------------------
>>><me> Hey boy, go fetch my documents.

>><fanboi> That's it, You forget, WE
>>KNOW WHERE YOU LIVE, WHERE YOU WORK,
>>WHAT KIND OF HOUSE YOU LIVE IN.


> Did you see that red car cruising past yesterday afternoon ?

They
> got photos of your house, which we'll be posting somewhere soon,

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Old 02-06-2007, 05:41 PM
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Re: Need Help...I may not know what I am doing.


> so what happens when they
> out your arddress


Nothing. Some poor **** I've never heard of gets blamed. See...

alt.nuke.the.kadaitcha.rick-mather.13bruchauser.elderslie.nsw.australia.02-4
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