Anyone know of a way to use my old Stylewriter II, or an old SW 2500,
with my G3 iBook (Panther)? I have a Xircom USB-to-whatever it was
adapter, but I'm not sure if I need drivers in the event it's possible
to get this working. thanks for any ideas,

Sam

In article <invalid-DD2D33.19534011032006@news.verizon.net>,
Sam <invalid@invalid.net> wrote:

> Anyone know of a way to use my old Stylewriter II, or an old SW 2500,
> with my G3 iBook (Panther)? I have a Xircom USB-to-whatever it was
> adapter, but I'm not sure if I need drivers in the event it's possible
> to get this working. thanks for any ideas,
>
A quick look for Xircom drivers doesn't look promising. For the modem
PGMSD8 adapter it appears that they only have drivers for OS 8.5.1.
<http://downloadfinder.intel.com/scri..._Desc.aspx?agr
=N&ProductID=642&DwnldID=3176&strOSs=12&OSFullName =Mac%20OS*&lang=eng>

You do need drivers for Mac OS X for any USB to serial adapters that I
am familiar with. Once you have an adapter with proper drivers, getting
StyleWriters to work in OS X is fairly easy. See my page on serail
printing ins OS X
<http://webpages.charter.net/mbroughtn/serial_printing.html> and
Christian Walther's page <http://n.ethz.ch/student/walthec/stylewriter/>
for the specific StyleWriter software.

--
Matt Broughton
Only relatives are absolute.

In article <invalid-DD2D33.19534011032006@news.verizon.net>,
Sam <invalid@invalid.net> wrote:

> Anyone know of a way to use my old Stylewriter II, or an old SW 2500,
> with my G3 iBook (Panther)? I have a Xircom USB-to-whatever it was
> adapter, but I'm not sure if I need drivers in the event it's possible
> to get this working. thanks for any ideas,
>
A quick look for Xircom drivers doesn't look promising. For the modem
PGMSD8 adapter it appears that they only have drivers for OS 8.5.1.
<http://downloadfinder.intel.com/scri..._Desc.aspx?agr
=N&ProductID=642&DwnldID=3176&strOSs=12&OSFullName =Mac%20OS*&lang=eng>

You do need drivers for Mac OS X for any USB to serial adapters that I
am familiar with. Once you have an adapter with proper drivers, getting
StyleWriters to work in OS X is fairly easy. See my page on serail
printing ins OS X
<http://webpages.charter.net/mbroughtn/serial_printing.html> and
Christian Walther's page <http://n.ethz.ch/student/walthec/stylewriter/>
for the specific StyleWriter software.

--
Matt Broughton
Only relatives are absolute.

In article <invalid-DD2D33.19534011032006@news.verizon.net>,
Sam <invalid@invalid.net> wrote:

> Anyone know of a way to use my old Stylewriter II, or an old SW 2500,
> with my G3 iBook (Panther)? I have a Xircom USB-to-whatever it was
> adapter, but I'm not sure if I need drivers in the event it's possible
> to get this working. thanks for any ideas,

It's not possible except under Classic - the reason being that the
StyleWriters work using QuickDraw graphics, which was the graphics
subsystem of OS 9 and before, whereas OS X uses Quartz PDF-based
graphics which are completely different. So even if you sorted out the
connection, OS X would have no capacity to talk to the printer.

Sorry,

Matthew.

In article <invalid-DD2D33.19534011032006@news.verizon.net>,
Sam <invalid@invalid.net> wrote:

> Anyone know of a way to use my old Stylewriter II, or an old SW 2500,
> with my G3 iBook (Panther)? I have a Xircom USB-to-whatever it was
> adapter, but I'm not sure if I need drivers in the event it's possible
> to get this working. thanks for any ideas,

It's not possible except under Classic - the reason being that the
StyleWriters work using QuickDraw graphics, which was the graphics
subsystem of OS 9 and before, whereas OS X uses Quartz PDF-based
graphics which are completely different. So even if you sorted out the
connection, OS X would have no capacity to talk to the printer.

Sorry,

Matthew.

In article
<m.kirkcaldie-BD2C66.09215413032006@un-2park-reader-01.sydney.pipenetwor
ks.com>,
Matthew Kirkcaldie <m.kirkcaldie@removethis.unsw.edu.au> wrote:

> In article <invalid-DD2D33.19534011032006@news.verizon.net>,
> Sam <invalid@invalid.net> wrote:
>
> > Anyone know of a way to use my old Stylewriter II, or an old SW 2500,
> > with my G3 iBook (Panther)? I have a Xircom USB-to-whatever it was
> > adapter, but I'm not sure if I need drivers in the event it's possible
> > to get this working. thanks for any ideas,
>
> It's not possible except under Classic - the reason being that the
> StyleWriters work using QuickDraw graphics, which was the graphics
> subsystem of OS 9 and before, whereas OS X uses Quartz PDF-based
> graphics which are completely different. So even if you sorted out the
> connection, OS X would have no capacity to talk to the printer.
>
If you didn't see my previous post, Matthew, it is very possible and
very doable to get StyleWriters to work in OS X. They are one of the
easier serial printers to set up once you get the right software
installed. What won't work is using the older StyleWriters using
AppleTalk where that option has been installed on the printer. In OS X,
it must be a serial connection.

<http://webpages.charter.net/mbroughtn/serial_printing.html> and
Christian Walther's page <http://n.ethz.ch/student/walthec/stylewriter/>
for the specific StyleWriter software.

Matt

--
Matt Broughton
Only relatives are absolute.

In article
<m.kirkcaldie-BD2C66.09215413032006@un-2park-reader-01.sydney.pipenetwor
ks.com>,
Matthew Kirkcaldie <m.kirkcaldie@removethis.unsw.edu.au> wrote:

> In article <invalid-DD2D33.19534011032006@news.verizon.net>,
> Sam <invalid@invalid.net> wrote:
>
> > Anyone know of a way to use my old Stylewriter II, or an old SW 2500,
> > with my G3 iBook (Panther)? I have a Xircom USB-to-whatever it was
> > adapter, but I'm not sure if I need drivers in the event it's possible
> > to get this working. thanks for any ideas,
>
> It's not possible except under Classic - the reason being that the
> StyleWriters work using QuickDraw graphics, which was the graphics
> subsystem of OS 9 and before, whereas OS X uses Quartz PDF-based
> graphics which are completely different. So even if you sorted out the
> connection, OS X would have no capacity to talk to the printer.
>
If you didn't see my previous post, Matthew, it is very possible and
very doable to get StyleWriters to work in OS X. They are one of the
easier serial printers to set up once you get the right software
installed. What won't work is using the older StyleWriters using
AppleTalk where that option has been installed on the printer. In OS X,
it must be a serial connection.

<http://webpages.charter.net/mbroughtn/serial_printing.html> and
Christian Walther's page <http://n.ethz.ch/student/walthec/stylewriter/>
for the specific StyleWriter software.

Matt

--
Matt Broughton
Only relatives are absolute.

Matt Broughton wrote:
> In article
> <m.kirkcaldie-BD2C66.09215413032006@un-2park-reader-01.sydney.pipenetwor
> ks.com>,
> Matthew Kirkcaldie <m.kirkcaldie@removethis.unsw.edu.au> wrote:
>
>
>>In article <invalid-DD2D33.19534011032006@news.verizon.net>,
>> Sam <invalid@invalid.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Anyone know of a way to use my old Stylewriter II, or an old SW 2500,
>>>with my G3 iBook (Panther)? I have a Xircom USB-to-whatever it was
>>>adapter, but I'm not sure if I need drivers in the event it's possible
>>>to get this working. thanks for any ideas,
>>
>>It's not possible except under Classic - the reason being that the
>>StyleWriters work using QuickDraw graphics, which was the graphics
>>subsystem of OS 9 and before, whereas OS X uses Quartz PDF-based
>>graphics which are completely different. So even if you sorted out the
>>connection, OS X would have no capacity to talk to the printer.
>>
>
> If you didn't see my previous post, Matthew, it is very possible and
> very doable to get StyleWriters to work in OS X. They are one of the
> easier serial printers to set up once you get the right software
> installed. What won't work is using the older StyleWriters using
> AppleTalk where that option has been installed on the printer. In OS X,
> it must be a serial connection.
>
> <http://webpages.charter.net/mbroughtn/serial_printing.html> and
> Christian Walther's page <http://n.ethz.ch/student/walthec/stylewriter/>
> for the specific StyleWriter software.
>
> Matt
>
I used an adapter (Belkin?) to get my ColorStylwriter working wilth OS
X. Until the plastic teeth on the printer broke and I had to replace the
printer.


--
http://intonewdecade.blogspot.com/

Matt Broughton wrote:
> In article
> <m.kirkcaldie-BD2C66.09215413032006@un-2park-reader-01.sydney.pipenetwor
> ks.com>,
> Matthew Kirkcaldie <m.kirkcaldie@removethis.unsw.edu.au> wrote:
>
>
>>In article <invalid-DD2D33.19534011032006@news.verizon.net>,
>> Sam <invalid@invalid.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Anyone know of a way to use my old Stylewriter II, or an old SW 2500,
>>>with my G3 iBook (Panther)? I have a Xircom USB-to-whatever it was
>>>adapter, but I'm not sure if I need drivers in the event it's possible
>>>to get this working. thanks for any ideas,
>>
>>It's not possible except under Classic - the reason being that the
>>StyleWriters work using QuickDraw graphics, which was the graphics
>>subsystem of OS 9 and before, whereas OS X uses Quartz PDF-based
>>graphics which are completely different. So even if you sorted out the
>>connection, OS X would have no capacity to talk to the printer.
>>
>
> If you didn't see my previous post, Matthew, it is very possible and
> very doable to get StyleWriters to work in OS X. They are one of the
> easier serial printers to set up once you get the right software
> installed. What won't work is using the older StyleWriters using
> AppleTalk where that option has been installed on the printer. In OS X,
> it must be a serial connection.
>
> <http://webpages.charter.net/mbroughtn/serial_printing.html> and
> Christian Walther's page <http://n.ethz.ch/student/walthec/stylewriter/>
> for the specific StyleWriter software.
>
> Matt
>
I used an adapter (Belkin?) to get my ColorStylwriter working wilth OS
X. Until the plastic teeth on the printer broke and I had to replace the
printer.


--
http://intonewdecade.blogspot.com/

Marshall wrote:
> Matt Broughton wrote:
>
>> In article
>> <m.kirkcaldie-BD2C66.09215413032006@un-2park-reader-01.sydney.pipenetwor
>> ks.com>,
>> Matthew Kirkcaldie <m.kirkcaldie@removethis.unsw.edu.au> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> In article <invalid-DD2D33.19534011032006@news.verizon.net>,
>>> Sam <invalid@invalid.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Anyone know of a way to use my old Stylewriter II, or an old SW
>>>> 2500, with my G3 iBook (Panther)? I have a Xircom USB-to-whatever
>>>> it was adapter, but I'm not sure if I need drivers in the event it's
>>>> possible to get this working. thanks for any ideas,
>>>
>>>
>>> It's not possible except under Classic - the reason being that the
>>> StyleWriters work using QuickDraw graphics, which was the graphics
>>> subsystem of OS 9 and before, whereas OS X uses Quartz PDF-based
>>> graphics which are completely different. So even if you sorted out
>>> the connection, OS X would have no capacity to talk to the printer.
>>>
>>
>> If you didn't see my previous post, Matthew, it is very possible and
>> very doable to get StyleWriters to work in OS X. They are one of the
>> easier serial printers to set up once you get the right software
>> installed. What won't work is using the older StyleWriters using
>> AppleTalk where that option has been installed on the printer. In OS
>> X, it must be a serial connection.
>>
>> <http://webpages.charter.net/mbroughtn/serial_printing.html> and
>> Christian Walther's page
>> <http://n.ethz.ch/student/walthec/stylewriter/> for the specific
>> StyleWriter software.
>>
>> Matt
>>
> I used an adapter (Belkin?) to get my ColorStylwriter working wilth OS
> X. Until the plastic teeth on the printer broke and I had to replace the
> printer.
>
>
Correction!
I used a Keyspan adapter
http://www.keyspan.com/products/usb/USA28x/

--
http://intonewdecade.blogspot.com/

Marshall wrote:
> Matt Broughton wrote:
>
>> In article
>> <m.kirkcaldie-BD2C66.09215413032006@un-2park-reader-01.sydney.pipenetwor
>> ks.com>,
>> Matthew Kirkcaldie <m.kirkcaldie@removethis.unsw.edu.au> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> In article <invalid-DD2D33.19534011032006@news.verizon.net>,
>>> Sam <invalid@invalid.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Anyone know of a way to use my old Stylewriter II, or an old SW
>>>> 2500, with my G3 iBook (Panther)? I have a Xircom USB-to-whatever
>>>> it was adapter, but I'm not sure if I need drivers in the event it's
>>>> possible to get this working. thanks for any ideas,
>>>
>>>
>>> It's not possible except under Classic - the reason being that the
>>> StyleWriters work using QuickDraw graphics, which was the graphics
>>> subsystem of OS 9 and before, whereas OS X uses Quartz PDF-based
>>> graphics which are completely different. So even if you sorted out
>>> the connection, OS X would have no capacity to talk to the printer.
>>>
>>
>> If you didn't see my previous post, Matthew, it is very possible and
>> very doable to get StyleWriters to work in OS X. They are one of the
>> easier serial printers to set up once you get the right software
>> installed. What won't work is using the older StyleWriters using
>> AppleTalk where that option has been installed on the printer. In OS
>> X, it must be a serial connection.
>>
>> <http://webpages.charter.net/mbroughtn/serial_printing.html> and
>> Christian Walther's page
>> <http://n.ethz.ch/student/walthec/stylewriter/> for the specific
>> StyleWriter software.
>>
>> Matt
>>
> I used an adapter (Belkin?) to get my ColorStylwriter working wilth OS
> X. Until the plastic teeth on the printer broke and I had to replace the
> printer.
>
>
Correction!
I used a Keyspan adapter
http://www.keyspan.com/products/usb/USA28x/

--
http://intonewdecade.blogspot.com/

In article <walterwego-D74671.20192512032006@news.charter.net>,
Matt Broughton <walterwego@macosx.com.invalid> wrote:

> If you didn't see my previous post, Matthew, it is very possible and
> very doable to get StyleWriters to work in OS X. They are one of the
> easier serial printers to set up once you get the right software
> installed. What won't work is using the older StyleWriters using
> AppleTalk where that option has been installed on the printer. In OS X,
> it must be a serial connection.

Well I stand corrected! Doesn't the QuickDraw printing model cause
problems? Do they emulate PostScript via GhostScript or a Gimp-Print
driver or something?

Cheers,

MK.

In article <walterwego-D74671.20192512032006@news.charter.net>,
Matt Broughton <walterwego@macosx.com.invalid> wrote:

> If you didn't see my previous post, Matthew, it is very possible and
> very doable to get StyleWriters to work in OS X. They are one of the
> easier serial printers to set up once you get the right software
> installed. What won't work is using the older StyleWriters using
> AppleTalk where that option has been installed on the printer. In OS X,
> it must be a serial connection.

Well I stand corrected! Doesn't the QuickDraw printing model cause
problems? Do they emulate PostScript via GhostScript or a Gimp-Print
driver or something?

Cheers,

MK.

In article
<m.kirkcaldie-D88D37.22002014032006@un-2park-reader-01.sydney.pipenetwor
ks.com>,
Matthew Kirkcaldie <m.kirkcaldie@removethis.unsw.edu.au> wrote:

> In article <walterwego-D74671.20192512032006@news.charter.net>,
> Matt Broughton <walterwego@macosx.com.invalid> wrote:
>
> > If you didn't see my previous post, Matthew, it is very possible and
> > very doable to get StyleWriters to work in OS X. They are one of the
> > easier serial printers to set up once you get the right software
> > installed. What won't work is using the older StyleWriters using
> > AppleTalk where that option has been installed on the printer. In OS X,
> > it must be a serial connection.
>
> Well I stand corrected! Doesn't the QuickDraw printing model cause
> problems? Do they emulate PostScript via GhostScript or a Gimp-Print
> driver or something?

This is a case where someone wrote a *nix driver for the StyleWriters
before we had OS X. Someone later found that they could compile the
source code in OS X. It does rely on Ghostscript. The driver
communicates directly with the printer so there is no need for a serial
backend to CUPS. There are 2 known packages that have put all this
together. The one I cited and include on my website works and has a
couple of AppleScripts to set up the printer queue on a serial port.

The newer StyleWriters (4100, 4500, 6500) will work with the Gim-Print
(Gutneprint) drivers. For a serial connection for these StyleWriters,
you do need a serial backend for CUPS. That was changed somewhere along
the 10.2.2 timeline and included in the 1.1.17 version of CUPS so that
it works with Mac OS X. Apple does not include it in the OS as they
don't want to have to support serial printers. I keep the compiled
binaries of this backend on my website, however.

Matt

--
Matt Broughton
Only relatives are absolute.

In article
<m.kirkcaldie-D88D37.22002014032006@un-2park-reader-01.sydney.pipenetwor
ks.com>,
Matthew Kirkcaldie <m.kirkcaldie@removethis.unsw.edu.au> wrote:

> In article <walterwego-D74671.20192512032006@news.charter.net>,
> Matt Broughton <walterwego@macosx.com.invalid> wrote:
>
> > If you didn't see my previous post, Matthew, it is very possible and
> > very doable to get StyleWriters to work in OS X. They are one of the
> > easier serial printers to set up once you get the right software
> > installed. What won't work is using the older StyleWriters using
> > AppleTalk where that option has been installed on the printer. In OS X,
> > it must be a serial connection.
>
> Well I stand corrected! Doesn't the QuickDraw printing model cause
> problems? Do they emulate PostScript via GhostScript or a Gimp-Print
> driver or something?

This is a case where someone wrote a *nix driver for the StyleWriters
before we had OS X. Someone later found that they could compile the
source code in OS X. It does rely on Ghostscript. The driver
communicates directly with the printer so there is no need for a serial
backend to CUPS. There are 2 known packages that have put all this
together. The one I cited and include on my website works and has a
couple of AppleScripts to set up the printer queue on a serial port.

The newer StyleWriters (4100, 4500, 6500) will work with the Gim-Print
(Gutneprint) drivers. For a serial connection for these StyleWriters,
you do need a serial backend for CUPS. That was changed somewhere along
the 10.2.2 timeline and included in the 1.1.17 version of CUPS so that
it works with Mac OS X. Apple does not include it in the OS as they
don't want to have to support serial printers. I keep the compiled
binaries of this backend on my website, however.

Matt

--
Matt Broughton
Only relatives are absolute.