Hi

Is it possible to use the tab button in the same way as Windows? That is,
to be able to go from control to control on a pop-up without using the
mouse? Currently I'm noticing that I can't move focus from some controls to
others (like lists/drop-downs), and I have to use the mouse.

Also, with the apple-tab behaviour, can I get navigate to, say, individual
firefox windows? Currently it just shows one firefox icon instead of one
for each window - is this something I can change? I'm using 10.4.2 on a
"Dual 2.3GHz PowerPC G5", according to "About This Mac".

cheers!

dave

Suggest you go to google.com/mac and type in "Keyboard Maestro."

--Guy
Thurston, Oregon, USA


> Hi
>
> Is it possible to use the tab button in the same way as Windows? That is,
> to be able to go from control to control on a pop-up without using the
> mouse? Currently I'm noticing that I can't move focus from some controls to
> others (like lists/drop-downs), and I have to use the mouse.

> Also, with the apple-tab behaviour, can I get navigate to, say, individual
> firefox windows? Currently it just shows one firefox icon instead of one
> for each window - is this something I can change? I'm using 10.4.2 on a
> "Dual 2.3GHz PowerPC G5", according to "About This Mac".
>
> cheers!
>
> dave
>
>

Suggest you go to google.com/mac and type in "Keyboard Maestro."

--Guy
Thurston, Oregon, USA


> Hi
>
> Is it possible to use the tab button in the same way as Windows? That is,
> to be able to go from control to control on a pop-up without using the
> mouse? Currently I'm noticing that I can't move focus from some controls to
> others (like lists/drop-downs), and I have to use the mouse.

> Also, with the apple-tab behaviour, can I get navigate to, say, individual
> firefox windows? Currently it just shows one firefox icon instead of one
> for each window - is this something I can change? I'm using 10.4.2 on a
> "Dual 2.3GHz PowerPC G5", according to "About This Mac".
>
> cheers!
>
> dave
>
>

In article <BBGKf.24205$wl.17038@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk >,
"d" <d@example.com> wrote:

> Hi
>
> Is it possible to use the tab button in the same way as Windows? That is,
> to be able to go from control to control on a pop-up without using the
> mouse? Currently I'm noticing that I can't move focus from some controls to
> others (like lists/drop-downs), and I have to use the mouse.
>
> Also, with the apple-tab behaviour, can I get navigate to, say, individual
> firefox windows? Currently it just shows one firefox icon instead of one
> for each window - is this something I can change? I'm using 10.4.2 on a
> "Dual 2.3GHz PowerPC G5", according to "About This Mac".

Having done a (tiny) bit of programming with both Visual Basic for
Windows and Real Basic (for Mac, Windows, and Linux), the ability to
move from item to item in a window using the tab key is an option...
programmers may remember to set their windows up to be easily accesible
by keyboard as well as by mouse, or they may not. All too often, in both
operating systems, this detail seems to escape their attention.

It's more likely to be missed on the Mac, however, because that platform
has always been designed for mouse use, where Windows (and many Windows
programmers) still come from a mouse-less DOS heritage.

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In article <BBGKf.24205$wl.17038@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk >,
"d" <d@example.com> wrote:

> Hi
>
> Is it possible to use the tab button in the same way as Windows? That is,
> to be able to go from control to control on a pop-up without using the
> mouse? Currently I'm noticing that I can't move focus from some controls to
> others (like lists/drop-downs), and I have to use the mouse.
>
> Also, with the apple-tab behaviour, can I get navigate to, say, individual
> firefox windows? Currently it just shows one firefox icon instead of one
> for each window - is this something I can change? I'm using 10.4.2 on a
> "Dual 2.3GHz PowerPC G5", according to "About This Mac".

Having done a (tiny) bit of programming with both Visual Basic for
Windows and Real Basic (for Mac, Windows, and Linux), the ability to
move from item to item in a window using the tab key is an option...
programmers may remember to set their windows up to be easily accesible
by keyboard as well as by mouse, or they may not. All too often, in both
operating systems, this detail seems to escape their attention.

It's more likely to be missed on the Mac, however, because that platform
has always been designed for mouse use, where Windows (and many Windows
programmers) still come from a mouse-less DOS heritage.

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d wrote:


> Also, with the apple-tab behaviour, can I get navigate to, say, individual
> firefox windows?

Not command-tab for that. (the Apple key is called "command")
Hit F10 then use the arrow keys to select a window. F9 would show all
windows, not just the Firefox (or any front app when you hit F10) windows.
GW

d wrote:


> Also, with the apple-tab behaviour, can I get navigate to, say, individual
> firefox windows?

Not command-tab for that. (the Apple key is called "command")
Hit F10 then use the arrow keys to select a window. F9 would show all
windows, not just the Firefox (or any front app when you hit F10) windows.
GW

"Geoff Welsh" <geoffdubya@some.rr.com> wrote in message
news:7GWKf.6$3D.0@tornado.socal.rr.com...
>d wrote:
>
>
>> Also, with the apple-tab behaviour, can I get navigate to, say,
>> individual firefox windows?
>
> Not command-tab for that. (the Apple key is called "command")
> Hit F10 then use the arrow keys to select a window. F9 would show all
> windows, not just the Firefox (or any front app when you hit F10) windows.
> GW

Thanks for that! I'll get to grips with this one day I'm sure :-P It still
seems a remarkably labourious way to switch between visible windows. If
they would only put all the open windows in the command-tab list, it would
make a lot more sense (to me, at least).

I noticed that with the F9 view, the positioning of the windows on the
screen changes their position, in as much as you can't rely on the same
key-presses moving you to a certain window... As Alan pointed out, OSX
seems far more mouse-based than I'm used to :)

"Geoff Welsh" <geoffdubya@some.rr.com> wrote in message
news:7GWKf.6$3D.0@tornado.socal.rr.com...
>d wrote:
>
>
>> Also, with the apple-tab behaviour, can I get navigate to, say,
>> individual firefox windows?
>
> Not command-tab for that. (the Apple key is called "command")
> Hit F10 then use the arrow keys to select a window. F9 would show all
> windows, not just the Firefox (or any front app when you hit F10) windows.
> GW

Thanks for that! I'll get to grips with this one day I'm sure :-P It still
seems a remarkably labourious way to switch between visible windows. If
they would only put all the open windows in the command-tab list, it would
make a lot more sense (to me, at least).

I noticed that with the F9 view, the positioning of the windows on the
screen changes their position, in as much as you can't rely on the same
key-presses moving you to a certain window... As Alan pointed out, OSX
seems far more mouse-based than I'm used to :)

"Guy Kudlemyer" <gwkuddles@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:C020C6FA.12278%gwkuddles@comcast.net...
> Suggest you go to google.com/mac and type in "Keyboard Maestro."

Thanks for that! $20 just to get my mac to type hashes and give me access
to my open windows? Seems a bit weird to me. I'll just memorise the ansi
codes for the characters I'm missing and leave it at that :)

It begs the question - if so many people use macs for web work (me being one
of them), why isn't there a hash key?

Thanks for your help!

dave


> --Guy
> Thurston, Oregon, USA
>
>
>> Hi
>>
>> Is it possible to use the tab button in the same way as Windows? That
>> is,
>> to be able to go from control to control on a pop-up without using the
>> mouse? Currently I'm noticing that I can't move focus from some controls
>> to
>> others (like lists/drop-downs), and I have to use the mouse.
>
>> Also, with the apple-tab behaviour, can I get navigate to, say,
>> individual
>> firefox windows? Currently it just shows one firefox icon instead of one
>> for each window - is this something I can change? I'm using 10.4.2 on a
>> "Dual 2.3GHz PowerPC G5", according to "About This Mac".
>>
>> cheers!
>>
>> dave
>>
>>
>

"Guy Kudlemyer" <gwkuddles@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:C020C6FA.12278%gwkuddles@comcast.net...
> Suggest you go to google.com/mac and type in "Keyboard Maestro."

Thanks for that! $20 just to get my mac to type hashes and give me access
to my open windows? Seems a bit weird to me. I'll just memorise the ansi
codes for the characters I'm missing and leave it at that :)

It begs the question - if so many people use macs for web work (me being one
of them), why isn't there a hash key?

Thanks for your help!

dave


> --Guy
> Thurston, Oregon, USA
>
>
>> Hi
>>
>> Is it possible to use the tab button in the same way as Windows? That
>> is,
>> to be able to go from control to control on a pop-up without using the
>> mouse? Currently I'm noticing that I can't move focus from some controls
>> to
>> others (like lists/drop-downs), and I have to use the mouse.
>
>> Also, with the apple-tab behaviour, can I get navigate to, say,
>> individual
>> firefox windows? Currently it just shows one firefox icon instead of one
>> for each window - is this something I can change? I'm using 10.4.2 on a
>> "Dual 2.3GHz PowerPC G5", according to "About This Mac".
>>
>> cheers!
>>
>> dave
>>
>>
>

"Alan Zisman" <alan@nospam.zisman.ca> wrote in message
news:alan-372DA1.16464521022006@shawnews.vc.shawcable.net...
> In article <BBGKf.24205$wl.17038@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk >,
> "d" <d@example.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi
>>
>> Is it possible to use the tab button in the same way as Windows? That
>> is,
>> to be able to go from control to control on a pop-up without using the
>> mouse? Currently I'm noticing that I can't move focus from some controls
>> to
>> others (like lists/drop-downs), and I have to use the mouse.
>>
>> Also, with the apple-tab behaviour, can I get navigate to, say,
>> individual
>> firefox windows? Currently it just shows one firefox icon instead of one
>> for each window - is this something I can change? I'm using 10.4.2 on a
>> "Dual 2.3GHz PowerPC G5", according to "About This Mac".
>
> Having done a (tiny) bit of programming with both Visual Basic for
> Windows and Real Basic (for Mac, Windows, and Linux), the ability to
> move from item to item in a window using the tab key is an option...
> programmers may remember to set their windows up to be easily accesible
> by keyboard as well as by mouse, or they may not. All too often, in both
> operating systems, this detail seems to escape their attention.
>
> It's more likely to be missed on the Mac, however, because that platform
> has always been designed for mouse use, where Windows (and many Windows
> programmers) still come from a mouse-less DOS heritage.

It's really annoying to have to use the mouse every 5 seconds, just to click
one thing because the focus can't be moved with the keyboard. I can't open
a new dreamweaver document just using the keyboard, and as a web developer
that's the sort of thing that really slows you down.

I found where Apple puts the hash key on the UK keyboard - it's alt + 3,
which they've failed to mention anywhere :-P

cheers!

dave

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"Alan Zisman" <alan@nospam.zisman.ca> wrote in message
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> In article <BBGKf.24205$wl.17038@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk >,
> "d" <d@example.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi
>>
>> Is it possible to use the tab button in the same way as Windows? That
>> is,
>> to be able to go from control to control on a pop-up without using the
>> mouse? Currently I'm noticing that I can't move focus from some controls
>> to
>> others (like lists/drop-downs), and I have to use the mouse.
>>
>> Also, with the apple-tab behaviour, can I get navigate to, say,
>> individual
>> firefox windows? Currently it just shows one firefox icon instead of one
>> for each window - is this something I can change? I'm using 10.4.2 on a
>> "Dual 2.3GHz PowerPC G5", according to "About This Mac".
>
> Having done a (tiny) bit of programming with both Visual Basic for
> Windows and Real Basic (for Mac, Windows, and Linux), the ability to
> move from item to item in a window using the tab key is an option...
> programmers may remember to set their windows up to be easily accesible
> by keyboard as well as by mouse, or they may not. All too often, in both
> operating systems, this detail seems to escape their attention.
>
> It's more likely to be missed on the Mac, however, because that platform
> has always been designed for mouse use, where Windows (and many Windows
> programmers) still come from a mouse-less DOS heritage.

It's really annoying to have to use the mouse every 5 seconds, just to click
one thing because the focus can't be moved with the keyboard. I can't open
a new dreamweaver document just using the keyboard, and as a web developer
that's the sort of thing that really slows you down.

I found where Apple puts the hash key on the UK keyboard - it's alt + 3,
which they've failed to mention anywhere :-P

cheers!

dave

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> Hi

..... impossible request snipped ....

> Also, with the apple-tab behaviour, can I get navigate to, say, individual
> firefox windows? Currently it just shows one firefox icon instead of one
> for each window - is this something I can change? I'm using 10.4.2 on a
> "Dual 2.3GHz PowerPC G5", according to "About This Mac".

Why yes it is, Dave. Swap the command and alt buttons in System
Preferences, then use Witch
(http://www.petermaurer.de/nasi.php?section=witch). Configure it to sort
the windows on "window activity order", and set to use alt+tab (which is now
command+tab). Hey presto, alt-tabbing *exactly* like windows, but with a
different look.

> cheers!
>
> dave

dave

"d" <d@example.com> wrote in message
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> Hi

..... impossible request snipped ....

> Also, with the apple-tab behaviour, can I get navigate to, say, individual
> firefox windows? Currently it just shows one firefox icon instead of one
> for each window - is this something I can change? I'm using 10.4.2 on a
> "Dual 2.3GHz PowerPC G5", according to "About This Mac".

Why yes it is, Dave. Swap the command and alt buttons in System
Preferences, then use Witch
(http://www.petermaurer.de/nasi.php?section=witch). Configure it to sort
the windows on "window activity order", and set to use alt+tab (which is now
command+tab). Hey presto, alt-tabbing *exactly* like windows, but with a
different look.

> cheers!
>
> dave

dave