If upgrading from 10.3.9 to Tiger is so "problem free", why is there an
option for "Archive and Install"? Why would one ever need this option?

All I want to do is put the install disk in, push a couple of buttons, have
the computer re-start and --VOILA!--I'm using Tiger.

I don't want to have to re-configure printers, and e-mail routers, and
Internet bookmarks, etc. I don't want the icons in my Dock to be scrambled,
or added to. I don't even want my desktop picture to change.

And I certainly, most definitely, want to continue using Classic!

Which option do I choose when I install: "Upgrade"? Or "Archive and
Install"?

Thanks!

--Guy
Thurston, OR

In article <BFD2A934.EBFF%gwkuddles@comcast.net>,
Guy Kudlemyer <gwkuddles@comcast.net> wrote:

> If upgrading from 10.3.9 to Tiger is so "problem free", why is there an
> option for "Archive and Install"? Why would one ever need this option?
>
> All I want to do is put the install disk in, push a couple of buttons, have
> the computer re-start and --VOILA!--I'm using Tiger.
>
> I don't want to have to re-configure printers, and e-mail routers, and
> Internet bookmarks, etc. I don't want the icons in my Dock to be scrambled,
> or added to. I don't even want my desktop picture to change.
>
> And I certainly, most definitely, want to continue using Classic!
>
> Which option do I choose when I install: "Upgrade"? Or "Archive and
> Install"?
>
> Thanks!
>
> --Guy
> Thurston, OR

Upgrade.

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In article <BFD2A934.EBFF%gwkuddles@comcast.net>,
Guy Kudlemyer <gwkuddles@comcast.net> wrote:

> If upgrading from 10.3.9 to Tiger is so "problem free", why is there an
> option for "Archive and Install"? Why would one ever need this option?
>
> All I want to do is put the install disk in, push a couple of buttons, have
> the computer re-start and --VOILA!--I'm using Tiger.
>
> I don't want to have to re-configure printers, and e-mail routers, and
> Internet bookmarks, etc. I don't want the icons in my Dock to be scrambled,
> or added to. I don't even want my desktop picture to change.
>
> And I certainly, most definitely, want to continue using Classic!
>
> Which option do I choose when I install: "Upgrade"? Or "Archive and
> Install"?
>
> Thanks!
>
> --Guy
> Thurston, OR

Upgrade.

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In article <BFD2A934.EBFF%gwkuddles@comcast.net>,
Guy Kudlemyer <gwkuddles@comcast.net> wrote:

> If upgrading from 10.3.9 to Tiger is so "problem free", why is there an
> option for "Archive and Install"? Why would one ever need this option?
>
> All I want to do is put the install disk in, push a couple of buttons, have
> the computer re-start and --VOILA!--I'm using Tiger.
>
> I don't want to have to re-configure printers, and e-mail routers, and
> Internet bookmarks, etc. I don't want the icons in my Dock to be scrambled,
> or added to. I don't even want my desktop picture to change.
>
> And I certainly, most definitely, want to continue using Classic!
>
> Which option do I choose when I install: "Upgrade"? Or "Archive and
> Install"?
>
I would say, "Upgrade," but whenever you do something as significant as
upgrading (replacing) the operating system, you really ought to back
things up, just in case.

I had no problems with my upgrade, and I went straight from 10.1.5 to
10.4.

It might have changed the desktop picture. I don't remember. It didn't
change the Dock if I remember right, except that it added Dashboard, and
Classic still works just the same. One thing you might notice is that
if you don't have a lot of memory, it'll run slower. I my case I was
limping along (and I do mean limping) with 256MB on 10.1.5. Upgrading to
640MB made my Mac all happy again. It's a very big install, so it takes
a while. If you've got plenty of room on your HD, choose to install all
the bells and whistles instead of a standard install.

In article <BFD2A934.EBFF%gwkuddles@comcast.net>,
Guy Kudlemyer <gwkuddles@comcast.net> wrote:

> If upgrading from 10.3.9 to Tiger is so "problem free", why is there an
> option for "Archive and Install"? Why would one ever need this option?
>
> All I want to do is put the install disk in, push a couple of buttons, have
> the computer re-start and --VOILA!--I'm using Tiger.
>
> I don't want to have to re-configure printers, and e-mail routers, and
> Internet bookmarks, etc. I don't want the icons in my Dock to be scrambled,
> or added to. I don't even want my desktop picture to change.
>
> And I certainly, most definitely, want to continue using Classic!
>
> Which option do I choose when I install: "Upgrade"? Or "Archive and
> Install"?
>
I would say, "Upgrade," but whenever you do something as significant as
upgrading (replacing) the operating system, you really ought to back
things up, just in case.

I had no problems with my upgrade, and I went straight from 10.1.5 to
10.4.

It might have changed the desktop picture. I don't remember. It didn't
change the Dock if I remember right, except that it added Dashboard, and
Classic still works just the same. One thing you might notice is that
if you don't have a lot of memory, it'll run slower. I my case I was
limping along (and I do mean limping) with 256MB on 10.1.5. Upgrading to
640MB made my Mac all happy again. It's a very big install, so it takes
a while. If you've got plenty of room on your HD, choose to install all
the bells and whistles instead of a standard install.

In article <party-E3C653.23005824122005@news-fe-02.texas.rr.com>,
Hugh Gibbons <party@myhouse.com> wrote:

> I would say, "Upgrade," but whenever you do something as significant as
> upgrading (replacing) the operating system, you really ought to back
> things up, just in case.
>
> I had no problems with my upgrade, and I went straight from 10.1.5 to
> 10.4.

I wiped the drive and did a complete new install, going from Jaguar to
Tiger. I immediately installed all the latest updates, and then
reinstalled all my applications. Obviously, I was secure in my backups.
I've had no problems with Tiger, other than that it won't recognize my
Grappler SCSI adapter, but we need a new scanner anyway, and in the
meantime, I can boot into 9.2.2 to use it.

Merry Christmas all!
--
W. Oates
"I thought I was the last son of Krypton,
but you people keep popping up." -- Clark Kent

In article <party-E3C653.23005824122005@news-fe-02.texas.rr.com>,
Hugh Gibbons <party@myhouse.com> wrote:

> I would say, "Upgrade," but whenever you do something as significant as
> upgrading (replacing) the operating system, you really ought to back
> things up, just in case.
>
> I had no problems with my upgrade, and I went straight from 10.1.5 to
> 10.4.

I wiped the drive and did a complete new install, going from Jaguar to
Tiger. I immediately installed all the latest updates, and then
reinstalled all my applications. Obviously, I was secure in my backups.
I've had no problems with Tiger, other than that it won't recognize my
Grappler SCSI adapter, but we need a new scanner anyway, and in the
meantime, I can boot into 9.2.2 to use it.

Merry Christmas all!
--
W. Oates
"I thought I was the last son of Krypton,
but you people keep popping up." -- Clark Kent

On Sat, 24 Dec 2005 10:28:52 -0500, Guy Kudlemyer wrote
(in article <BFD2A934.EBFF%gwkuddles@comcast.net>):

> If upgrading from 10.3.9 to Tiger is so "problem free", why is there an
> option for "Archive and Install"? Why would one ever need this option?

1 to reinstall the OS after the user goofed

2 because the user likes to create work for himself

3 because.

>
> All I want to do is put the install disk in, push a couple of buttons, have
> the computer re-start and --VOILA!--I'm using Tiger.

Use upgrade.

>
> I don't want to have to re-configure printers, and e-mail routers, and
> Internet bookmarks, etc. I don't want the icons in my Dock to be scrambled,
> or added to. I don't even want my desktop picture to change.

Use upgrade.

>
> And I certainly, most definitely, want to continue using Classic!

Archive & install wouldn't affect Classic.

>
> Which option do I choose when I install: "Upgrade"? Or "Archive and
> Install"?

Upgrade... but backup first.

>
> Thanks!
>
> --Guy
> Thurston, OR
>



--
email to oshea dot j dot j at gmail dot com.

On Sat, 24 Dec 2005 10:28:52 -0500, Guy Kudlemyer wrote
(in article <BFD2A934.EBFF%gwkuddles@comcast.net>):

> If upgrading from 10.3.9 to Tiger is so "problem free", why is there an
> option for "Archive and Install"? Why would one ever need this option?

1 to reinstall the OS after the user goofed

2 because the user likes to create work for himself

3 because.

>
> All I want to do is put the install disk in, push a couple of buttons, have
> the computer re-start and --VOILA!--I'm using Tiger.

Use upgrade.

>
> I don't want to have to re-configure printers, and e-mail routers, and
> Internet bookmarks, etc. I don't want the icons in my Dock to be scrambled,
> or added to. I don't even want my desktop picture to change.

Use upgrade.

>
> And I certainly, most definitely, want to continue using Classic!

Archive & install wouldn't affect Classic.

>
> Which option do I choose when I install: "Upgrade"? Or "Archive and
> Install"?

Upgrade... but backup first.

>
> Thanks!
>
> --Guy
> Thurston, OR
>



--
email to oshea dot j dot j at gmail dot com.

Guy Kudlemyer wrote:
> If upgrading from 10.3.9 to Tiger is so "problem free", why is there an
> option for "Archive and Install"? Why would one ever need this option?

Upgrade modifies the existing System folder: Archive & Install creates a
completely new System folder and archives the old one. In the first
case, all user modifications to the System folder are kept intact: for
example, USB ADSL modems usually require a kernel extension to function
but differences in Tiger can cause these extensions to KP the comp if
they're left in place. In this case Archive & Install is the way to go.

> All I want to do is put the install disk in, push a couple of buttons, have
> the computer re-start and --VOILA!--I'm using Tiger.
>
> I don't want to have to re-configure printers, and e-mail routers, and
> Internet bookmarks, etc. I don't want the icons in my Dock to be scrambled,
> or added to. I don't even want my desktop picture to change.

Both Upgrade and Archive & Install preserve all user and network
settings. The only effective difference is noted above.


> And I certainly, most definitely, want to continue using Classic!
>
> Which option do I choose when I install: "Upgrade"? Or "Archive and
> Install"?

9 times out of 10, Upgrade is the way to go unless you know that
user-installed System mods are going to be a problem in Tiger. If for
any reason Upgrade fails, just go back and repeat the install using
Archive & Install. Be aware that you will need sufficient disk space
for the archived System folder AND virtual memory. For happy VM, always
try and keep 10% of the boot drive's capacity free at all times. An
archived System folder is about the same size as your current one - 2 GB
is not uncommon.

Chu

--
chuenginsberg at mac dot com

Guy Kudlemyer wrote:
> If upgrading from 10.3.9 to Tiger is so "problem free", why is there an
> option for "Archive and Install"? Why would one ever need this option?

Upgrade modifies the existing System folder: Archive & Install creates a
completely new System folder and archives the old one. In the first
case, all user modifications to the System folder are kept intact: for
example, USB ADSL modems usually require a kernel extension to function
but differences in Tiger can cause these extensions to KP the comp if
they're left in place. In this case Archive & Install is the way to go.

> All I want to do is put the install disk in, push a couple of buttons, have
> the computer re-start and --VOILA!--I'm using Tiger.
>
> I don't want to have to re-configure printers, and e-mail routers, and
> Internet bookmarks, etc. I don't want the icons in my Dock to be scrambled,
> or added to. I don't even want my desktop picture to change.

Both Upgrade and Archive & Install preserve all user and network
settings. The only effective difference is noted above.


> And I certainly, most definitely, want to continue using Classic!
>
> Which option do I choose when I install: "Upgrade"? Or "Archive and
> Install"?

9 times out of 10, Upgrade is the way to go unless you know that
user-installed System mods are going to be a problem in Tiger. If for
any reason Upgrade fails, just go back and repeat the install using
Archive & Install. Be aware that you will need sufficient disk space
for the archived System folder AND virtual memory. For happy VM, always
try and keep 10% of the boot drive's capacity free at all times. An
archived System folder is about the same size as your current one - 2 GB
is not uncommon.

Chu

--
chuenginsberg at mac dot com

In article <BFD2A934.EBFF%gwkuddles@comcast.net>,
Guy Kudlemyer <gwkuddles@comcast.net> wrote:

> Which option do I choose when I install: "Upgrade"? Or "Archive and
> Install"?

Upgrade.

But it bares repeating:

Backup your system first, preferably with an application that will give
you a bootable backup. There are better options, but Carbon Copy Cloner
will do. (Find the latest version at: <http://www.versiontracker.com/>)

How come?

1) There is one and only one #1 rule of computing:

ALWAYS MAKE A BACKUP

2) There are loads of horror stories of folks doing upgrades then
finding that some crucial thing in the system got hosed. Even Mac OS X
10.4.3 updates have had lots of problem reports.

You can keep track of very recent problems with MOSX at:

<http://www.macfixit.com/>

If you become a Pro member you will be able to peruse their enormous
collection of older problem reports as well as their other publications.
They have a very good podcast they offer for free.


Share and Enjoy,

:-Derek

--
"To create a new standard it takes something that's not just a little bit
different. It takes something that's really new and really captures people's
imagination. And the Macintosh, of all the machines I have ever seen, is the
only one that meets that standard." -Bill Gates

In article <BFD2A934.EBFF%gwkuddles@comcast.net>,
Guy Kudlemyer <gwkuddles@comcast.net> wrote:

> Which option do I choose when I install: "Upgrade"? Or "Archive and
> Install"?

Upgrade.

But it bares repeating:

Backup your system first, preferably with an application that will give
you a bootable backup. There are better options, but Carbon Copy Cloner
will do. (Find the latest version at: <http://www.versiontracker.com/>)

How come?

1) There is one and only one #1 rule of computing:

ALWAYS MAKE A BACKUP

2) There are loads of horror stories of folks doing upgrades then
finding that some crucial thing in the system got hosed. Even Mac OS X
10.4.3 updates have had lots of problem reports.

You can keep track of very recent problems with MOSX at:

<http://www.macfixit.com/>

If you become a Pro member you will be able to peruse their enormous
collection of older problem reports as well as their other publications.
They have a very good podcast they offer for free.


Share and Enjoy,

:-Derek

--
"To create a new standard it takes something that's not just a little bit
different. It takes something that's really new and really captures people's
imagination. And the Macintosh, of all the machines I have ever seen, is the
only one that meets that standard." -Bill Gates