Greetings!

I am a former windows user and recent convert to mac. I've never had any
problems downloading from FTP servers with windows, but I can't seem to do
so with my mac. When I log into the server, the status says "getting file
list" and just stays that way. The same thing happens with both Fetch and
Captain FTP. I am using a 15" G4 powerbook with OSX 10.3.7. What am I
doing wrong?

Much thanks in advance.

Phil DeGrave wrote:
> Greetings!
>
> I am a former windows user and recent convert to mac. I've never had any
> problems downloading from FTP servers with windows, but I can't seem to do
> so with my mac. When I log into the server, the status says "getting file
> list" and just stays that way. The same thing happens with both Fetch and
> Captain FTP. I am using a 15" G4 powerbook with OSX 10.3.7. What am I
> doing wrong?
>
> Much thanks in advance.
>

Not knowing which Mac or which OS you're using makes it rather tricky to
give cogent advice. My first bet would be that you need to enable
passive transfers and/or switch on the FTP service.

=:~)

--
"The day Microsoft makes something that doesn't suck is probably the day
they start making vacuum cleaners." - Ernest Jan Plugge

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On 1/9/05 3:28 PM, in article LpudnctdxMqFP3zcRVnyiA@eclipse.net.uk, "Chas"
<nospam@nospam.comINVALID> wrote:

> Phil DeGrave wrote:
>> Greetings!
>>
>> I am a former windows user and recent convert to mac. I've never had any
>> problems downloading from FTP servers with windows, but I can't seem to do
>> so with my mac. When I log into the server, the status says "getting file
>> list" and just stays that way. The same thing happens with both Fetch and
>> Captain FTP. hI am using a 15" G4 powerbook with OSX 10.3.7 What am I
>> doing wrong?
>>
>> Much thanks in advance.
>>
>
> Not knowing which Mac or which OS you're using makes it rather tricky to
> give cogent advice. My first bet would be that you need to enable
> passive transfers and/or switch on the FTP service.
>
> =:~)


???

He _did_ say "I am using a 15" G4 powerbook with OSX 10.3.7".

Not having any FTP experience, I am unable to help on the question.
--
Brian Ehni

In article <LpudnctdxMqFP3zcRVnyiA@eclipse.net.uk>, Chas
<nospam@nospam.comINVALID> wrote:


> > I am a former windows user and recent convert to mac. I've never had any
> > problems downloading from FTP servers with windows, but I can't seem to do
> > so with my mac. When I log into the server, the status says "getting file
> > list" and just stays that way. The same thing happens with both Fetch and
> > Captain FTP. I am using a 15" G4 powerbook with OSX 10.3.7. What am I
> > doing wrong?
> >
> > Much thanks in advance.
> >
>
> Not knowing which Mac or which OS you're using makes it rather tricky to
> give cogent advice.


So does not reading what the original poster wrote in plain English.

In article <BE070672.1E6C8%phildegraveNO@SPAMelvis.com>,
Phil DeGrave <phildegraveNO@SPAMelvis.com> wrote:

> Greetings!
>
> I am a former windows user and recent convert to mac. I've never had any
> problems downloading from FTP servers with windows, but I can't seem to do
> so with my mac. When I log into the server, the status says "getting file
> list" and just stays that way. The same thing happens with both Fetch and
> Captain FTP. I am using a 15" G4 powerbook with OSX 10.3.7. What am I
> doing wrong?
>
> Much thanks in advance.

As suggested by someone else, try enabling PASV mode for the ftp client.
PASV will cause the ftp server to use the connection established by the
client.

An FTP server when NOT told to use PASV will attempt to open ports back
to the client. However, if you have a firewall or are using a home
Cable/DSL Router with a NAT server (which all home routers generally
do), then it is not possible for the FTP server to open a port to your
client as the firewall or NAT server will not allow the request to reach
your client.

Fetch Preferences
--> Firewall
--> Use passive mode transfer (PASV)

Also Safari gets its PASV info from:

System Preferences
--> Network
--> Proxies
--> Use passive FTP mode (PASV)

NOTE for System Preferences -> Network -> Proxies, you need to set this
field for every network interface you use. That is to say, if you use
the system sometimes with WiFi and sometimes plugged into ethernet, and
sometimes via modem. Also if you have different network locations.

If you use the command line ftp command in a Terminal window, then

ftp> passive
ftp> get file

sftp (ssh ftp), since it establishes its own secure channel, the sshd
server daemon does not attempt to open additional ports through your
firewall or NAT server.

I hope this guess is correct.

Bob Harris

Brian Paul Ehni wrote:
> On 1/9/05 3:28 PM, in article LpudnctdxMqFP3zcRVnyiA@eclipse.net.uk, "Chas"
> <nospam@nospam.comINVALID> wrote:
>
>
>>Phil DeGrave wrote:
>>
>>>Greetings!
>>>
>>>I am a former windows user and recent convert to mac. I've never had any
>>>problems downloading from FTP servers with windows, but I can't seem to do
>>>so with my mac. When I log into the server, the status says "getting file
>>>list" and just stays that way. The same thing happens with both Fetch and
>>>Captain FTP. hI am using a 15" G4 powerbook with OSX 10.3.7 What am I
>>>doing wrong?
>>>
>>>Much thanks in advance.
>>>
>>
>>Not knowing which Mac or which OS you're using makes it rather tricky to
>>give cogent advice. My first bet would be that you need to enable
>>passive transfers and/or switch on the FTP service.
>>
>>=:~)
>
>
>
> ???
>
> He _did_ say "I am using a 15" G4 powerbook with OSX 10.3.7".
>
> Not having any FTP experience, I am unable to help on the question.

Jesus! My eyesight is getting diabolical ;(

=:~)

--
"The day Microsoft makes something that doesn't suck is probably the day
they start making vacuum cleaners." - Ernest Jan Plugge

news at cdss dot fsnet dot co dot uk

In article <BE070672.1E6C8%phildegraveNO@SPAMelvis.com>,
Phil DeGrave <phildegraveNO@SPAMelvis.com> wrote:

>Greetings!
>
>I am a former windows user and recent convert to mac. I've never had any
>problems downloading from FTP servers with windows, but I can't seem to do
>so with my mac. When I log into the server, the status says "getting file
>list" and just stays that way. The same thing happens with both Fetch and
>Captain FTP. I am using a 15" G4 powerbook with OSX 10.3.7. What am I
>doing wrong?
>
>Much thanks in advance.

You can just log into the server from the finder and treat it like any
other volume. You can even do a Get Info and index it at any level.

--
Ron Parsons

On 1/9/05 6:34 PM, in article nospam-76809A.18343709012005@news.verizon.net,
"Bob Harris" <nospam@sorry.I.have.been.harvested.before> wrote:

> In article <BE070672.1E6C8%phildegraveNO@SPAMelvis.com>,
> Phil DeGrave <phildegraveNO@SPAMelvis.com> wrote:
>
>> Greetings!
>>
>> I am a former windows user and recent convert to mac. I've never had any
>> problems downloading from FTP servers with windows, but I can't seem to do
>> so with my mac. When I log into the server, the status says "getting file
>> list" and just stays that way. The same thing happens with both Fetch and
>> Captain FTP. I am using a 15" G4 powerbook with OSX 10.3.7. What am I
>> doing wrong?
>>
>> Much thanks in advance.
>
> As suggested by someone else, try enabling PASV mode for the ftp client.
> PASV will cause the ftp server to use the connection established by the
> client.
>
> An FTP server when NOT told to use PASV will attempt to open ports back
> to the client. However, if you have a firewall or are using a home
> Cable/DSL Router with a NAT server (which all home routers generally
> do), then it is not possible for the FTP server to open a port to your
> client as the firewall or NAT server will not allow the request to reach
> your client.
>
> Fetch Preferences
> --> Firewall
> --> Use passive mode transfer (PASV)
>
> Also Safari gets its PASV info from:
>
> System Preferences
> --> Network
> --> Proxies
> --> Use passive FTP mode (PASV)
>
> NOTE for System Preferences -> Network -> Proxies, you need to set this
> field for every network interface you use. That is to say, if you use
> the system sometimes with WiFi and sometimes plugged into ethernet, and
> sometimes via modem. Also if you have different network locations.
>
> If you use the command line ftp command in a Terminal window, then
>
> ftp> passive
> ftp> get file
>
> sftp (ssh ftp), since it establishes its own secure channel, the sshd
> server daemon does not attempt to open additional ports through your
> firewall or NAT server.
>
> I hope this guess is correct.
>
> Bob Harris

Thank you. I checked the preferences you suggested and they are all set by
default to passive mode. Still no luck. I'm using a cable internet
connection through Comcast, if that makes any difference. I am not having
any trouble with anything else on the internet.

On 1/10/05 9:05 AM, in article jrp59-7F61C1.08050510012005@news.verizon.net,
"Ron Parsons" <jrp59@gte.net> wrote:

> In article <BE070672.1E6C8%phildegraveNO@SPAMelvis.com>,
> Phil DeGrave <phildegraveNO@SPAMelvis.com> wrote:
>
>> Greetings!
>>
>> I am a former windows user and recent convert to mac. I've never had any
>> problems downloading from FTP servers with windows, but I can't seem to do
>> so with my mac. When I log into the server, the status says "getting file
>> list" and just stays that way. The same thing happens with both Fetch and
>> Captain FTP. I am using a 15" G4 powerbook with OSX 10.3.7. What am I
>> doing wrong?
>>
>> Much thanks in advance.
>
> You can just log into the server from the finder and treat it like any
> other volume. You can even do a Get Info and index it at any level.

Thanks for the tip. Although I didn't see any fields for username or
password, I tried it anyways. I immediately get a "Connection failed - No
response from the server. Please try again" error message.

In article <BE084FCC.1F1D5%phildegraveNO@SPAMelvis.com>,
Phil DeGrave <phildegraveNO@SPAMelvis.com> wrote:

> > If you use the command line ftp command in a Terminal window, then
> >
> > ftp> passive
> > ftp> get file
> Thank you. I checked the preferences you suggested and they are all set by
> default to passive mode. Still no luck. I'm using a cable internet
> connection through Comcast, if that makes any difference. I am not having
> any trouble with anything else on the internet.

What happens when you use the ftp available from Terminal? Does that
work? I ask because I've been using that extensively on a 15 inch Al
Powerbook (there is a 40 file upload - over dialup - working in the
terminal window as I type). Been using the terminal FTP about a year
and I haven't encountered any problems.

You aren't blocking on a firewall are you?

I keep intending to move to one of the nice looking GUI versions of ftp,
but have never decided which would be best to test first. Not much
urgency when the command line version worked sort of well enough (wish
it had the command file option the Windows one had).

--
http://www.ericlindsay.com

On 1/9/05 4:04 PM, in article BE070672.1E6C8%phildegraveNO@SPAMelvis.com,
"Phil DeGrave" <phildegraveNO@SPAMelvis.com> wrote:

> Greetings!
>
> I am a former windows user and recent convert to mac. I've never had any
> problems downloading from FTP servers with windows, but I can't seem to do
> so with my mac. When I log into the server, the status says "getting file
> list" and just stays that way. The same thing happens with both Fetch and
> Captain FTP. I am using a 15" G4 powerbook with OSX 10.3.7. What am I
> doing wrong?
>
> Much thanks in advance.
>

Are you using a hardware firewall? It sounds to me like passive 'PASV' mode
transfers are being blocked by a firewall somewhere.

- Mike

In article <BE084FDA.1F1D5%phildegraveNO@SPAMelvis.com>, Phil DeGrave
<phildegraveNO@SPAMelvis.com> wrote:

> On 1/10/05 9:05 AM, in article jrp59-7F61C1.08050510012005@news.verizon.net,
> "Ron Parsons" <jrp59@gte.net> wrote:
....
> > You can just log into the server from the finder and treat it like any
> > other volume. You can even do a Get Info and index it at any level.
>
> Thanks for the tip. Although I didn't see any fields for username or
> password, I tried it anyways. I immediately get a "Connection failed - No
> response from the server. Please try again" error message.

There are two ways to do ftp in Mac OS X: From the Finder, and via the
Terminal (which in reality is a X-Windows xterm). To do the former, either
go to the finder menu Go/Connect to Server, or open Safari, and plug in
ftp://... You will then get a dialog, asking for username and password.
For anonymous ftp, don't fill in anything. Doing ftp from the Terminal
works as any UNIX terminal. You can then do ssh and sftp as well. Sftp
does not currently work from the Finder. If you want to do ftp to your
Mac, open System Preferences/Sharing. There you have to enable ftp,
firewalls if you so want, and also get the URL of your computer. The URL
name in the Finder, Network/Servers/... isn't reliable.

--
Hans Aberg