I have a Blue and White G3 I bought this past Friday, and it will not
boot as it should.

It has:
256 MB RAM
12GB HD (Set to master)
OS 9.2
24xCD-ROM
Internal ZIP 100 drive
ATI Rage128 16MB video card
350 MHz G3 processor

I added a Western Digital Caviar 331000 (Set to slave) which caused the
screen to go black,and now only the drives initialize when the computer
is turned on; there is no audio or video. The video card is unaffected;
it works in my Power Mac 8500.

I tried everything I could think of:
Changed the DIMMs around
Reset the CUDA
Switched drives around
Tried different drives
Tried different PRAM batteries
Tried video card in other PCI slots

I am unsure if the motherboard is the Revision 1 or Revision 2, since
the print is too small for me to see clearly. Any help is appreciated.

Jim Lee Jr. wrote:
> I have a Blue and White G3 I bought this past Friday, and it will not
> boot as it should.
>
> It has:
> 256 MB RAM
> 12GB HD (Set to master)
> OS 9.2
> 24xCD-ROM
> Internal ZIP 100 drive
> ATI Rage128 16MB video card
> 350 MHz G3 processor
>
> I added a Western Digital Caviar 331000 (Set to slave) which caused the
> screen to go black,and now only the drives initialize when the computer
> is turned on; there is no audio or video. The video card is unaffected;
> it works in my Power Mac 8500.
>
> I tried everything I could think of:
> Changed the DIMMs around
> Reset the CUDA
> Switched drives around
> Tried different drives
> Tried different PRAM batteries
> Tried video card in other PCI slots
>
> I am unsure if the motherboard is the Revision 1 or Revision 2, since
> the print is too small for me to see clearly. Any help is appreciated.

on the B+W I believe the drives are auto sensing so you don't have to
set them for master slave. This was the case for my wife's B+W. I
installed a 120MB maxtor drive with no problems. I just put a jumper on
autosense or I left it out. What ever the manufaturer said to do.

In article <peejster01-BB3845.23160406072004@netnews.comcast.net>,
"Jim Lee Jr." <peejster01@insightbb.com> wrote:

> I have a Blue and White G3 I bought this past Friday, and it will not
> boot as it should.
>
> It has:
> 256 MB RAM
> 12GB HD (Set to master)
> OS 9.2
> 24xCD-ROM
> Internal ZIP 100 drive
> ATI Rage128 16MB video card
> 350 MHz G3 processor
>
> I added a Western Digital Caviar 331000 (Set to slave) which caused the
> screen to go black,and now only the drives initialize when the computer
> is turned on; there is no audio or video. The video card is unaffected;
> it works in my Power Mac 8500.
>
> I tried everything I could think of:
> Changed the DIMMs around
> Reset the CUDA
> Switched drives around
> Tried different drives
> Tried different PRAM batteries
> Tried video card in other PCI slots
>
> I am unsure if the motherboard is the Revision 1 or Revision 2, since
> the print is too small for me to see clearly. Any help is appreciated.

Were you able to mount the second drive above the first drive in a U
shaped bracket? If so, then it is a Rev 2 model. If there was no U
shaped bracket for mounting the drives, it is a Rev 1.

If it's a Rev 1, it's not surprising that your set up isn't working.
The Rev 1s are known to be particular about the hard disk(s) installed.
There is a known problem with the ATA controller. Certainly installing
a second hard drive in a Rev 1 is asking for problems. I'm not quite a
certain about installing a master drive other than what originally came
with the machine. You would be well served to buy a PCI based ATA
controller card for a Rev 1 B&W.

I have also had problems getting OS 9.2.x to boot my Rev 1 B&W. OS
9.2.2 works fine for Classic mode but really freezes the machine trying
to boot to it. I use OS 9.1 for booting into OS 9.

--
Matt Broughton
Only relatives are absolute.

On 7/7/04 12:08 AM, in article 40EB85A0.9000506@comcast.net, "BobZ"
<rziesmer01@comcast.net> wrote:

>
>
> Jim Lee Jr. wrote:
>> I have a Blue and White G3 I bought this past Friday, and it will not
>> boot as it should.
>>
>> It has:
>> 256 MB RAM
>> 12GB HD (Set to master)
>> OS 9.2
>> 24xCD-ROM
>> Internal ZIP 100 drive
>> ATI Rage128 16MB video card
>> 350 MHz G3 processor
>>
>> I added a Western Digital Caviar 331000 (Set to slave) which caused the
>> screen to go black,and now only the drives initialize when the computer
>> is turned on; there is no audio or video. The video card is unaffected;
>> it works in my Power Mac 8500.
>>
>> I tried everything I could think of:
>> Changed the DIMMs around
>> Reset the CUDA
>> Switched drives around
>> Tried different drives
>> Tried different PRAM batteries
>> Tried video card in other PCI slots
>>
>> I am unsure if the motherboard is the Revision 1 or Revision 2, since
>> the print is too small for me to see clearly. Any help is appreciated.
>
> on the B+W I believe the drives are auto sensing so you don't have to
> set them for master slave. This was the case for my wife's B+W. I
> installed a 120MB maxtor drive with no problems. I just put a jumper on
> autosense or I left it out. What ever the manufaturer said to do.
>

I believe you mean "cable select".
--
Brian Ehni

In article <walterwego-A67D0D.19104807072004@corp.supernews.com>,
Matt Broughton <walterwego@macosx.com> wrote:

> Were you able to mount the second drive above the first drive in a U
> shaped bracket? If so, then it is a Rev 2 model. If there was no U
> shaped bracket for mounting the drives, it is a Rev 1.

Then my G3 is Revision 1, because the hard drives mount side by side,
and the CD ROM is above the ZIP drive.

> If it's a Rev 1, it's not surprising that your set up isn't working.
> The Rev 1s are known to be particular about the hard disk(s) installed.
> There is a known problem with the ATA controller. Certainly installing
> a second hard drive in a Rev 1 is asking for problems. I'm not quite a
> certain about installing a master drive other than what originally came
> with the machine. You would be well served to buy a PCI based ATA
> controller card for a Rev 1 B&W.

Thanks,I will give that a try eventually.

> I have also had problems getting OS 9.2.x to boot my Rev 1 B&W. OS
> 9.2.2 works fine for Classic mode but really freezes the machine trying
> to boot to it. I use OS 9.1 for booting into OS 9.

The G3 booted into OS 9.2, but I did not see which 9.2 it was.

Thanks for the info so far, folks.