I've relied on Norton Utilities for OS9 for years; now I'm running Panther,
and I've read that the 8.0 version of Norton Utilities can cause more
problems than it fixes. The website claims that 8.0.2 is good for Panther.
What do people think? Is it? I currently have TechTool Pro and DiskWarrior.
Does Norton provide anything those two don't cover?

--

Mike Levin
mlevin77@comcast.net

Michael Levin wrote:
> I've relied on Norton Utilities for OS9 for years; now I'm running Panther,
> and I've read that the 8.0 version of Norton Utilities can cause more
> problems than it fixes. The website claims that 8.0.2 is good for Panther.
> What do people think? Is it? I currently have TechTool Pro and DiskWarrior.
> Does Norton provide anything those two don't cover?
>

Why bother.

Greg

On Sun, 6 Jun 2004 14:25:09 -0500, Michael Levin wrote
(in article <BCE8E7D4.183E5%mlevin77@comcast.net>):

> I've relied on Norton Utilities for OS9 for years; now I'm running Panther,
> and I've read that the 8.0 version of Norton Utilities can cause more
> problems than it fixes.

true.

> The website claims that 8.0.2 is good for Panther.

doubt it.

> What do people think? Is it? I currently have TechTool Pro and DiskWarrior.
> Does Norton provide anything those two don't cover?
>
>

stay away from norton.


--
We are Microsoft of Borg. You will be assimilated. Stability is irrelevant.
Where _you_ want to go to today is irrelevant. We will add your currency to
our own. Bend over right now. Resistance is futile.

In article <BCE8E7D4.183E5%mlevin77@comcast.net>,
Michael Levin <mlevin77@comcast.net> wrote:

> I've relied on Norton Utilities for OS9 for years; now I'm running Panther,
> and I've read that the 8.0 version of Norton Utilities can cause more
> problems than it fixes. The website claims that 8.0.2 is good for Panther.
> What do people think? Is it? I currently have TechTool Pro and DiskWarrior.
> Does Norton provide anything those two don't cover?

I was also a big Norton fan in the pre-X days. SInce then, their total
disregard for Mac users has caused me to go TechTool. Also Disk Warrior

No regrets.

H.

On 6/6/04 3:39 PM, in article 10c6slodvoup946@corp.supernews.com, "G.T."
<getnews1@dslextreme.com> wrote:

> Michael Levin wrote:
>> I've relied on Norton Utilities for OS9 for years; now I'm running Panther,
>> and I've read that the 8.0 version of Norton Utilities can cause more
>> problems than it fixes. The website claims that 8.0.2 is good for Panther.
>> What do people think? Is it? I currently have TechTool Pro and DiskWarrior.
>> Does Norton provide anything those two don't cover?
>>
>
> Why bother.

Why bother periodically checking one's file system, or why bother with
Norton if one has TechTool and DiskWarrior? If you meant the former, there's
not much to talk about... If you meant the latter, then that's exactly the
question I'm asking: is there any reason to use Norton in addition to the
other two?

Mike

In article <BCE8E7D4.183E5%mlevin77@comcast.net>,
Michael Levin <mlevin77@comcast.net> wrote:

> I've relied on Norton Utilities for OS9 for years; now I'm running Panther,
> and I've read that the 8.0 version of Norton Utilities can cause more
> problems than it fixes. The website claims that 8.0.2 is good for Panther.
> What do people think? Is it? I currently have TechTool Pro and DiskWarrior.
> Does Norton provide anything those two don't cover?

NU has a long history of being extremely fragile. It will be only a few
months before another NU bug starts trashing disks and the upgrade won't
be free. Forget it.

In article <BCE8EC0E.18513%mlevin77@comcast.net>,
Michael Levin <mlevin77@comcast.net> wrote:

> On 6/6/04 3:39 PM, in article 10c6slodvoup946@corp.supernews.com, "G.T."
> <getnews1@dslextreme.com> wrote:
>
> > Michael Levin wrote:
> >> I've relied on Norton Utilities for OS9 for years; now I'm running Panther,
> >> and I've read that the 8.0 version of Norton Utilities can cause more
> >> problems than it fixes. The website claims that 8.0.2 is good for Panther.
> >> What do people think? Is it? I currently have TechTool Pro and DiskWarrior.
> >> Does Norton provide anything those two don't cover?
> >>
> >
> > Why bother.
>
> Why bother periodically checking one's file system, or why bother with
> Norton if one has TechTool and DiskWarrior? If you meant the former, there's
> not much to talk about... If you meant the latter, then that's exactly the
> question I'm asking: is there any reason to use Norton in addition to the
> other two?
>
Symantec has stopped developing new versions of Norton
Utilities/Systemworks for both Mac and Windows... so don't hold your
breath waiting for an improved version!

=======================================
remove 'nospam' from email address before sending, please!

Alan's website: www.zisman.ca

In article <0001HW.BCE8DDF200FCBB2DF03055B0@news-60.giganews.com>,
Charles Dyer <charlesd@newsguy.com> wrote:

> On Sun, 6 Jun 2004 14:25:09 -0500, Michael Levin wrote
> (in article <BCE8E7D4.183E5%mlevin77@comcast.net>):
>
> > I've relied on Norton Utilities for OS9 for years; now I'm running Panther,
> > and I've read that the 8.0 version of Norton Utilities can cause more
> > problems than it fixes.
>
> true.
>
> > The website claims that 8.0.2 is good for Panther.
>
> doubt it.
>
> > What do people think? Is it? I currently have TechTool Pro and DiskWarrior.
> > Does Norton provide anything those two don't cover?
> >
> >
>
> stay away from norton.

Quite right too. Last time I installed Norton on an early version of
OSX, and dutifully registered by e-mail, I didn't spot the small print
on one of the pages which said I might be added to their mailing list.

Several dozen spams per day later, (including one which was carrying a
trojan which resulted in several hundred _per day_ and up to a thousand
shortly after), I had to change my e-mail address.

Bastards. Never, ever, again will I use Norton Utilities.

Kind regards,
Devi

On 6/6/04 4:40 PM, in article
alan-40B69C.14403406062004@news.va.shawcable.net, "Alan Zisman"
<alan@nospam.zisman.ca> wrote:

>>
> Symantec has stopped developing new versions of Norton
> Utilities/Systemworks for both Mac and Windows... so don't hold your
> breath waiting for an improved version!

And this is the real answer you were looking for. Norton has left the
building; why reward their departure by buying their product?
--
Brian Ehni

Stop - please stop - don't use Norton in OS X! Norton for OSX is evil.
Use Disk Warrior and the Apple Disk Utility. That's all most will
need. I also have TechTool Deluxe but have not found it that useful yet.

Norton was great in OS9 and earlier but it's bogus for OS X.




Michael Levin wrote:

> I've relied on Norton Utilities for OS9 for years; now I'm running Panther,
> and I've read that the 8.0 version of Norton Utilities can cause more
> problems than it fixes. The website claims that 8.0.2 is good for Panther.
> What do people think? Is it? I currently have TechTool Pro and DiskWarrior.
> Does Norton provide anything those two don't cover?
>

In article <NY-dnVfs7en4LF7dRVn-sA@comcast.com>,
George <george5071@my-deja.com> wrote:

> Stop - please stop - don't use Norton in OS X! Norton for OSX is evil.
> Use Disk Warrior and the Apple Disk Utility. That's all most will
> need. I also have TechTool Deluxe but have not found it that useful yet.
>
> Norton was great in OS9 and earlier but it's bogus for OS X.
>

It wasn't ever great. I can't think of any OS where it didn't get
confused by large directories, complicated resource forks, non-English
filenames, highly fragmented extents, large files, etc., etc. Light
duty computer users could get it running OK but power users would have
their hard drive trashed.

Wasn't Disk Light a Norton product? That was notorious for trashing
hard drives and crashing the OS back in the MC68030 days. It was
installed by default, of course.

>
>
> Michael Levin wrote:
>
> > I've relied on Norton Utilities for OS9 for years; now I'm running Panther,
> > and I've read that the 8.0 version of Norton Utilities can cause more
> > problems than it fixes. The website claims that 8.0.2 is good for Panther.
> > What do people think? Is it? I currently have TechTool Pro and DiskWarrior.
> > Does Norton provide anything those two don't cover?
> >

In article <BCE8E7D4.183E5%mlevin77@comcast.net>,
Michael Levin <mlevin77@comcast.net> wrote:

> I've relied on Norton Utilities for OS9 for years; now I'm running Panther,
> and I've read that the 8.0 version of Norton Utilities can cause more
> problems than it fixes. The website claims that 8.0.2 is good for Panther.
> What do people think? Is it? I currently have TechTool Pro and DiskWarrior.
> Does Norton provide anything those two don't cover?

*
TTPro and DiskWarrior are all you need. I use TTPro 4.0.1 and DW
3.0.2.

You need Norton like you need a third nostril.

earle
*

--
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\/_/\_\ earle
\/_/ jones

On 6/6/04 8:05 PM, in article NY-dnVfs7en4LF7dRVn-sA@comcast.com, "George"
<george5071@my-deja.com> wrote:

> Stop - please stop - don't use Norton in OS X! Norton for OSX is evil.
> Use Disk Warrior and the Apple Disk Utility. That's all most will
> need. I also have TechTool Deluxe but have not found it that useful yet.
>
> Norton was great in OS9 and earlier but it's bogus for OS X.
>
>
>
>
> Michael Levin wrote:
>
>> I've relied on Norton Utilities for OS9 for years; now I'm running Panther,
>> and I've read that the 8.0 version of Norton Utilities can cause more
>> problems than it fixes. The website claims that 8.0.2 is good for Panther.
>> What do people think? Is it? I currently have TechTool Pro and DiskWarrior.
>> Does Norton provide anything those two don't cover?
>>

Wow. This might be the most unanimous set of responses I've ever gotten from
a Usenet inquiry! Amazingly enough, everyone is in complete agreement. Thank
you all - my thoughts of using Norton have disappeared.

--

Mike Levin
mlevin77@comcast.net

In article <mcmurtri-0F4688.00432207062004@corp-radius.supernews.com>,
Kevin McMurtrie <mcmurtri@dslextreme.com> wrote:

> It wasn't ever great. I can't think of any OS where it didn't get
> confused by large directories, complicated resource forks, non-English
> filenames, highly fragmented extents, large files, etc., etc. Light
> duty computer users could get it running OK but power users would have
> their hard drive trashed.
>
> Wasn't Disk Light a Norton product? That was notorious for trashing
> hard drives and crashing the OS back in the MC68030 days. It was
> installed by default, of course.

They also had a crash-guard product that caused more crashes than it
prevented.


--
Walt Sellers
Computer Engineer For Hire
www.VirtualOutpost.com
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In article <BCEA8D65.18697%mlevin77@comcast.net>,
Michael Levin <mlevin77@comcast.net> wrote:

> Wow. This might be the most unanimous set of responses I've ever gotten from
> a Usenet inquiry! Amazingly enough, everyone is in complete agreement. Thank
> you all - my thoughts of using Norton have disappeared.

I'll throw in the dissenting voice, then. While I would never trust
Norton with a working drive, if I had an up-to-date version I would
definitely use it after all the other tools I have declare a drive lost.

If I was administering, say, a hundred Macs I'd probably buy a copy.
When all else fails, it's at least more effective than throwing your
hard drive out a window and hoping it fixes itself on landing.

--
Steven Fisher; sdfisher@spamcop.net
"Morituri Nolumus Mori."