Is there any software that's like Carbon Copy Cloner, but would run on OS9?
I'm migrating to OSX and need to make exact copies of my OS9 drives on
partitions on an external drive, just in case I need to boot into OS9 in the
future and have my data.

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Mike Levin
mlevin77@comcast.net

In article <BC937674.13B66%mlevin77@comcast.net>, Michael Levin
<mlevin77@comcast.net> wrote:

> Is there any software that's like Carbon Copy Cloner, but would run on OS9?
> I'm migrating to OSX and need to make exact copies of my OS9 drives on
> partitions on an external drive, just in case I need to boot into OS9 in the
> future and have my data.

Select all the items on the drive and drag them to the new volume. A
solution like CCC is necessary under OS X only because it is necessary
to preserve file permissions. Under OS 9 there are no file
permissions, so the Finder can do the job perfectly well.

On 4/2/04 8:23 PM, in article 020420041723521818%dom@invalid.invalid,
"domanova" <dom@invalid.invalid> wrote:

> In article <BC937674.13B66%mlevin77@comcast.net>, Michael Levin
> <mlevin77@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> Is there any software that's like Carbon Copy Cloner, but would run on OS9?
>> I'm migrating to OSX and need to make exact copies of my OS9 drives on
>> partitions on an external drive, just in case I need to boot into OS9 in the
>> future and have my data.
>
> Select all the items on the drive and drag them to the new volume. A
> solution like CCC is necessary under OS X only because it is necessary
> to preserve file permissions. Under OS 9 there are no file
> permissions, so the Finder can do the job perfectly well.

really?? Aren't there invisible files and such? What about special files
as part of the System folder? I need to copy over not just data files, but
the system itself, preserving everything, so that I can later boot the
machine into OS9 and have my exact computer back the way it is today. Does a
simple Finder copy really do that?

--

Mike Levin
mlevin77@comcast.net

In article <BC94347F.13BF2%mlevin77@comcast.net>, Michael Levin
<mlevin77@comcast.net> wrote:

> On 4/2/04 8:23 PM, in article 020420041723521818%dom@invalid.invalid,
> "domanova" <dom@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
> > In article <BC937674.13B66%mlevin77@comcast.net>, Michael Levin
> > <mlevin77@comcast.net> wrote:
> >
> >> Is there any software that's like Carbon Copy Cloner, but would run on OS9?
> >> I'm migrating to OSX and need to make exact copies of my OS9 drives on
> >> partitions on an external drive, just in case I need to boot into OS9 in
> >> the
> >> future and have my data.
> >
> > Select all the items on the drive and drag them to the new volume. A
> > solution like CCC is necessary under OS X only because it is necessary
> > to preserve file permissions. Under OS 9 there are no file
> > permissions, so the Finder can do the job perfectly well.
>
> really?? Aren't there invisible files and such?

A few programs use invisible files at the root of the volume for
registration information. These won't be copied, because you can't
select them in the Finder. Invisible files in other folders will be
copied, however, because you copied the whole folder.

> What about special files
> as part of the System folder? I need to copy over not just data files, but
> the system itself, preserving everything, so that I can later boot the
> machine into OS9 and have my exact computer back the way it is today. Does a
> simple Finder copy really do that?

Yes. Under Mac OS 9 the OS does not use symbolic links, permissions,
or anything else that might get broken by a simple Finder copy. In
fact, the Finder knows to bless a folder when both a System and a
Finder are copied into it, so there is no need to bless it as a
separate step.

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Jerry Kindall, Seattle, WA <http://www.jerrykindall.com/>

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In article <BC937674.13B66%mlevin77@comcast.net>,
Michael Levin <mlevin77@comcast.net> wrote:

> Is there any software that's like Carbon Copy Cloner, but would run on OS9?
> I'm migrating to OSX and need to make exact copies of my OS9 drives on
> partitions on an external drive, just in case I need to boot into OS9 in the
> future and have my data.

You will need to use Apple's DiskCopy or a tool called ShrinkWrap. In
the app, you will have the option to create an "image" from a folder or
volume. If you need to make a 1:1 copy of your startup disk, you may be
out of luck. Reboot from a CD or another volume with one of the above
tools on it and you can create nice images.

Hope that helped!

Jerry Kindall <jerrykindall@nospam.invalid> wrote:

> Under Mac OS 9 the OS does not use symbolic links, permissions,
> or anything else that might get broken by a simple Finder copy. In
> fact, the Finder knows to bless a folder when both a System and a
> Finder are copied into it, so there is no need to bless it as a
> separate step.

Wow! What a great feauture! They *really* should build that into the
successor of Panther...

--
beuh

>
>>Is there any software that's like Carbon Copy Cloner, but would run on OS9?
>>I'm migrating to OSX and need to make exact copies of my OS9 drives on
>>partitions on an external drive, just in case I need to boot into OS9 in the
>>future and have my data.
>
>
> Select all the items on the drive and drag them to the new volume. A
> solution like CCC is necessary under OS X only because it is necessary
> to preserve file permissions. Under OS 9 there are no file
> permissions, so the Finder can do the job perfectly well.

Years ago, (when I still was using OS9) I noticed that OS9 certainly
had/has file permissions. I was using the Multiple Users login and I
couldn't reach stuff in folders belonging to other users. I don't
remember whether the Administrator could access everything (I assume
yes, but never used that user much so I don't remember)

In article <BC937674.13B66%mlevin77@comcast.net>,
Michael Levin <mlevin77@comcast.net> wrote:

> Is there any software that's like Carbon Copy Cloner, but would run on OS9?
> I'm migrating to OSX and need to make exact copies of my OS9 drives on
> partitions on an external drive, just in case I need to boot into OS9 in the
> future and have my data.

You don't need to. Just upgrade to 9.2 on whatever you're now running,
then install Jaguar over top of that and all your OS 9 still will still
be there, safe and sound. Then, if you want, you can clone it using CCC
to a backup if you want, and do what you will.

I did all the copying and such of bookmarks, old mail, documents, bits
for Palm sync data before installing Jaguar for a friend only to find
that the original data was perfectly intact and could be accessed via
classic after the install.

Unless...there is some kind of partition problem that makes it difficult
to install X on your current drive.

John

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In article <030420040821176204%jerrykindall@nospam.invalid> ,
Jerry Kindall <jerrykindall@nospam.invalid> wrote:

> > > Select all the items on the drive and drag them to the new volume. A
> > > solution like CCC is necessary under OS X only because it is necessary
> > > to preserve file permissions. Under OS 9 there are no file
> > > permissions, so the Finder can do the job perfectly well.
> >
> > really?? Aren't there invisible files and such?
>
> A few programs use invisible files at the root of the volume for
> registration information. These won't be copied, because you can't
> select them in the Finder. Invisible files in other folders will be
> copied, however, because you copied the whole folder.

The OS also uses symbolic links that can't just be copied. They need to
be reset to point to the correct path that starts with a different
volume. CCC does that too.

> > What about special files
> > as part of the System folder? I need to copy over not just data files, but
> > the system itself, preserving everything, so that I can later boot the
> > machine into OS9 and have my exact computer back the way it is today. Does a
> > simple Finder copy really do that?
>
> Yes. Under Mac OS 9 the OS does not use symbolic links, permissions,
> or anything else that might get broken by a simple Finder copy. In
> fact, the Finder knows to bless a folder when both a System and a
> Finder are copied into it, so there is no need to bless it as a
> separate step.

Nope. No need. Plus, these days, "blessing" is done with the "Startup
Disk" preference panel. You can have more than one classic OS on one
partition. (But only one OSX.)

Copying the OS is one thing I missed about classic until CCC. When
admins got new Macs, or had bad crashes on old ones, they could just
wipe the disk and copy the OS back onto it.

Too bad we can't boot from the RAM Disks anymore.


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