I'm migrating my data files (about 100 Gigs total, on two internal drives)
from my office G4 (desktop 2000 model) to a new G5, which will be placed in
the same location. What's the easiest way to move the files? I know that
laptops can be put into firewire Target mode; can the new G5 do that? If so,
that might be the best way to go. Or, should I get an ethernet cable and
connect them directly? Does that work, and if so, what kind of cable do I
need (does the G5's ethernet port cross-over automatically?) and what else
do I need to do in terms of networking setup on each side? I assume that
putting them both on the network and copying files over the LAN, as well as
doing it through an intermediary external firewire drive, are both slower
than necessary. What's the best way?

--

Mike Levin
mlevin77@comcast.net

On Thu, 26 Feb 2004 21:06:51 -0500, Michael Levin wrote
(in message <BC64106B.D35D%mlevin77@comcast.net>):

> I'm migrating my data files (about 100 Gigs total, on two internal drives)
> from my office G4 (desktop 2000 model) to a new G5, which will be placed in
> the same location. What's the easiest way to move the files? I know that
> laptops can be put into firewire Target mode; can the new G5 do that? If so,
> that might be the best way to go. Or, should I get an ethernet cable and
> connect them directly? Does that work, and if so, what kind of cable do I
> need (does the G5's ethernet port cross-over automatically?) and what else
> do I need to do in terms of networking setup on each side? I assume that
> putting them both on the network and copying files over the LAN, as well as
> doing it through an intermediary external firewire drive, are both slower
> than necessary. What's the best way?
>
>

I would get cat 5e or cat 6 ethernet cable. I think all newer apple computer
auto sense crossover. All you have to do then is make sure each computer has
its own IP address. Then you can copy files between them.

John

In article <BC64106B.D35D%mlevin77@comcast.net>,
Michael Levin <mlevin77@comcast.net> wrote:

> I'm migrating my data files (about 100 Gigs total, on two internal drives)
> from my office G4 (desktop 2000 model) to a new G5, which will be placed in
> the same location. What's the easiest way to move the files? I know that
> laptops can be put into firewire Target mode; can the new G5 do that? If so,
> that might be the best way to go. Or, should I get an ethernet cable and
> connect them directly? Does that work, and if so, what kind of cable do I
> need (does the G5's ethernet port cross-over automatically?) and what else
> do I need to do in terms of networking setup on each side? I assume that
> putting them both on the network and copying files over the LAN, as well as
> doing it through an intermediary external firewire drive, are both slower
> than necessary. What's the best way?

From the Macintosh Help Menu (Searching on "Firewire Target Mode")

Bob Harris

Transferring files between two computers using FireWire

You can use FireWire to connect your computer to another
Mac and have one of the computers appear as an external
hard disk on the other computer. This is sometimes
called Target Disk Mode.

To transfer files using FireWire:

1. Shut down the first computer and leave the second
computer on.

2. Connect the two computers using a 6-pin to 6-pin
FireWire cable. (If both computers have
higher-speed FireWire 800 ports in addition to the
standard FireWire 400 ports, you can use a 9-pin to
9-pin cable with the FireWire 800 ports to transfer
data at higher speeds.)

3. Start up the first computer while holding down the T
key.

A disk icon for the first computer appears on the
desktop on the second computer. Drag files to and
from the disk to transfer them.

4. When you finish, eject the first computer's disk by
dragging its icon to the Trash.

5. Push the power button on the first computer to shut
it down and disconnect the FireWire cable.

If the computer to which you connect your computer is
running Mac OS 9, it must have FireWire version 2.3.3 or
later installed. Use Apple System Profiler (located in
Applications/Utilities) to check the version of FireWire
installed. If it has an older version, get an update at
the Apple FireWire website at www.apple.com/firewire.

J wrote:
> On Thu, 26 Feb 2004 21:06:51 -0500, Michael Levin wrote
> (in message <BC64106B.D35D%mlevin77@comcast.net>):
>
>
>>I'm migrating my data files (about 100 Gigs total, on two internal drives)
>>from my office G4 (desktop 2000 model) to a new G5, which will be placed in
>>the same location. What's the easiest way to move the files? I know that
>>laptops can be put into firewire Target mode; can the new G5 do that? If so,
>>that might be the best way to go. Or, should I get an ethernet cable and
>>connect them directly? Does that work, and if so, what kind of cable do I
>>need (does the G5's ethernet port cross-over automatically?) and what else
>>do I need to do in terms of networking setup on each side? I assume that
>>putting them both on the network and copying files over the LAN, as well as
>>doing it through an intermediary external firewire drive, are both slower
>>than necessary. What's the best way?
>>
>>
>
>
> I would get cat 5e or cat 6 ethernet cable. I think all newer apple computer
> auto sense crossover. All you have to do then is make sure each computer has
> its own IP address. Then you can copy files between them.

Firewire is faster, easier and cheaper if you have the FW cable and not
the Ethernet.

Beyond that you could parition the G-5, use Carbon Copy Cloner to move
the whole shebang from the G-4, and also install a squeaky clean osX
into the second partition.

John McWilliams

On 2/26/04 8:53 PM, in article 0jy%b.130200$jk2.542671@attbi_s53,
"jpmcwilliams" <jpmcw@comcast.net> wrote:

> J wrote:
>> On Thu, 26 Feb 2004 21:06:51 -0500, Michael Levin wrote
>> (in message <BC64106B.D35D%mlevin77@comcast.net>):
>>
>>
>>> I'm migrating my data files (about 100 Gigs total, on two internal drives)
>>> from my office G4 (desktop 2000 model) to a new G5, which will be placed in
>>> the same location. What's the easiest way to move the files? I know that
>>> laptops can be put into firewire Target mode; can the new G5 do that? If so,
>>> that might be the best way to go. Or, should I get an ethernet cable and
>>> connect them directly? Does that work, and if so, what kind of cable do I
>>> need (does the G5's ethernet port cross-over automatically?) and what else
>>> do I need to do in terms of networking setup on each side? I assume that
>>> putting them both on the network and copying files over the LAN, as well as
>>> doing it through an intermediary external firewire drive, are both slower
>>> than necessary. What's the best way?
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> I would get cat 5e or cat 6 ethernet cable. I think all newer apple computer
>> auto sense crossover. All you have to do then is make sure each computer has
>> its own IP address. Then you can copy files between them.
>
> Firewire is faster, easier and cheaper if you have the FW cable and not
> the Ethernet.
>
> Beyond that you could parition the G-5, use Carbon Copy Cloner to move
> the whole shebang from the G-4, and also install a squeaky clean osX
> into the second partition.
>
> John McWilliams

Uh, how about taking the drive out of the G4, and temporarily installing it
on the G5 after jumpering properly. Data transfer would be a whole lot
faster than via ethernet I think.
--

Brian Ehni

Brian Paul Ehni wrote:
> On 2/26/04 8:53 PM, in article 0jy%b.130200$jk2.542671@attbi_s53,
> "jpmcwilliams" <jpmcw@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>
>>J wrote:
>>
>>>On Thu, 26 Feb 2004 21:06:51 -0500, Michael Levin wrote
>>>(in message <BC64106B.D35D%mlevin77@comcast.net>):
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>I'm migrating my data files (about 100 Gigs total, on two internal drives)
>>>>from my office G4 (desktop 2000 model) to a new G5, which will be placed in
>>>>the same location. What's the easiest way to move the files? I know that
>>>>laptops can be put into firewire Target mode; can the new G5 do that? If so,
>>>>that might be the best way to go. Or, should I get an ethernet cable and
>>>>connect them directly? Does that work, and if so, what kind of cable do I
>>>>need (does the G5's ethernet port cross-over automatically?) and what else
>>>>do I need to do in terms of networking setup on each side? I assume that
>>>>putting them both on the network and copying files over the LAN, as well as
>>>>doing it through an intermediary external firewire drive, are both slower
>>>>than necessary. What's the best way?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>I would get cat 5e or cat 6 ethernet cable. I think all newer apple computer
>>>auto sense crossover. All you have to do then is make sure each computer has
>>>its own IP address. Then you can copy files between them.
>>
>>Firewire is faster, easier and cheaper if you have the FW cable and not
>>the Ethernet.
>>
>>Beyond that you could partition the G-5, use Carbon Copy Cloner to move
>>the whole shebang from the G-4, and also install a squeaky clean osX
>>into the second partition.
>>
>>John McWilliams
>
>
> Uh, how about taking the drive out of the G4, and temporarily installing it
> on the G5 after jumpering properly. Data transfer would be a whole lot
> faster than via ethernet I think.

Uh: Firewire via Target mode is by far easier, and safer. Just how would
you connect the ATA drive in a G-5?

John McWilliams

In article <BC64106B.D35D%mlevin77@comcast.net>,
Michael Levin <mlevin77@comcast.net> wrote:

> I'm migrating my data files (about 100 Gigs total, on two internal drives)
> from my office G4 (desktop 2000 model) to a new G5, which will be placed in
> the same location. What's the easiest way to move the files? I know that
> laptops can be put into firewire Target mode; can the new G5 do that? If so,
> that might be the best way to go. Or, should I get an ethernet cable and
> connect them directly? Does that work, and if so, what kind of cable do I
> need (does the G5's ethernet port cross-over automatically?) and what else
> do I need to do in terms of networking setup on each side? I assume that
> putting them both on the network and copying files over the LAN, as well as
> doing it through an intermediary external firewire drive, are both slower
> than necessary. What's the best way?

I'd go FW target mode.

Brian Paul Ehni <behni@comcast.net> wrote:

> Uh, how about taking the drive out of the G4, and temporarily installing it
> on the G5 after jumpering properly.

You can't do that without an adapter. The G5 uses serial ATA, unlike
all other Macs.

--
Mike Rosenberg
<http://www.macconsult.com> Macintosh consulting services for NE
<http://bogart-tribute.net> Tribute to Humphrey Bogart
Ralph Nader: Unsafe at any speed

In article <0jy%b.130200$jk2.542671@attbi_s53>,
jpmcwilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> wrote:

> > I would get cat 5e or cat 6 ethernet cable. I think all newer
> > apple computer auto sense crossover. All you have to do then is
> > make sure each computer has its own IP address. Then you can copy
> > files between them.
>
> Firewire is faster, easier and cheaper if you have the FW cable and not
> the Ethernet.

Both these Macs should support gigabit Ethernet, so speed's not as much
of a factor as it might seem. And I dispute that FW target mode is
easier, because networking a couple of Macs is a very easy thing to do.

--
Tom "Tom" Harrington
Macaroni, Automated System Maintenance for Mac OS X.
Version 2.0: Delocalize, Repair Permissions, lots more.
See http://www.atomicbird.com/

Tom Harrington wrote:
> In article <0jy%b.130200$jk2.542671@attbi_s53>,
> jpmcwilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>
>>>I would get cat 5e or cat 6 ethernet cable. I think all newer
>>>apple computer auto sense crossover. All you have to do then is
>>>make sure each computer has its own IP address. Then you can copy
>>>files between them.
>>
>>Firewire is faster, easier and cheaper if you have the FW cable and not
>>the Ethernet.
>
> Both these Macs should support gigabit Ethernet, so speed's not as much
> of a factor as it might seem. And I dispute that FW target mode is
> easier, because networking a couple of Macs is a very easy thing to do.
>
If you've networked macs for a bit, it's dead simple. But if it's the
first time, which I believe it may be for the OP, FW Target mode is
simpler, by a good margin.

John Mcwilliams

On 2/27/04 7:22 AM, in article
1g9t214.qag3hn1v47uoN%mike@POSTTOGROUP.invalid, "Mike Rosenberg"
<mike@POSTTOGROUP.invalid> wrote:

> Brian Paul Ehni <behni@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> Uh, how about taking the drive out of the G4, and temporarily installing it
>> on the G5 after jumpering properly.
>
> You can't do that without an adapter. The G5 uses serial ATA, unlike
> all other Macs.

D-uh OH!
--

Brian Ehni

On Fri, 27 Feb 2004 17:34:02 -0600,
Brian Paul Ehni (behni@comcast.net) wrote:
> On 2/27/04 7:22 AM, in article
> 1g9t214.qag3hn1v47uoN%mike@POSTTOGROUP.invalid, "Mike Rosenberg"
><mike@POSTTOGROUP.invalid> wrote:
>
>> Brian Paul Ehni <behni@comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Uh, how about taking the drive out of the G4, and temporarily installing it
>>> on the G5 after jumpering properly.
>>
>> You can't do that without an adapter. The G5 uses serial ATA, unlike
>> all other Macs.
>
> D-uh OH!

It was actually a good suggestion. The adapters are fairly cheap (between
$15 - $25), and this was how I transferred my data over. Here's an
example of what one looks like: <http://www.cpustuff.com/cpu/customer/home.php?cat=6>
--
Bev A. Kupf
"The lyfe so short, the craft so long to lerne" -- Chaucer
Tintin turns 75 <http://www.tintin.com>

Bev A. Kupf <bevakupf@myhome.net> wrote:

> >> You can't do that without an adapter. The G5 uses serial ATA, unlike
> >> all other Macs.
> >
> > D-uh OH!
>
> It was actually a good suggestion.

He was doing a Homer Simpson response to his not knowing about needing
the adapter. Of course it was a good suggestion - I learned of the
adapter from you in the first. :-)

--
Mike Rosenberg
<http://www.macconsult.com> Macintosh consulting services for NE
<http://bogart-tribute.net> Tribute to Humphrey Bogart
Ralph Nader: Unsafe at any speed

On 2/26/04 9:41 PM, in article
harris-4974E8.21390826022004@cacnews.cac.cpqcorp.net, "Bob Harris"
<harris@zk3.dec.com> wrote:

> In article <BC64106B.D35D%mlevin77@comcast.net>,
> Michael Levin <mlevin77@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> I'm migrating my data files (about 100 Gigs total, on two internal drives)
>> from my office G4 (desktop 2000 model) to a new G5, which will be placed in
>> the same location. What's the easiest way to move the files? I know that
>> laptops can be put into firewire Target mode; can the new G5 do that? If so,
>> that might be the best way to go. Or, should I get an ethernet cable and
>> connect them directly? Does that work, and if so, what kind of cable do I
>> need (does the G5's ethernet port cross-over automatically?) and what else
>> do I need to do in terms of networking setup on each side? I assume that
>> putting them both on the network and copying files over the LAN, as well as
>> doing it through an intermediary external firewire drive, are both slower
>> than necessary. What's the best way?
>
> From the Macintosh Help Menu (Searching on "Firewire Target Mode")
>
> Bob Harris
>
> Transferring files between two computers using FireWire
>
> You can use FireWire to connect your computer to another
> Mac and have one of the computers appear as an external
> hard disk on the other computer. This is sometimes
> called Target Disk Mode.
>
> To transfer files using FireWire:
>
> 1. Shut down the first computer and leave the second
> computer on.
>
> 2. Connect the two computers using a 6-pin to 6-pin
> FireWire cable. (If both computers have
> higher-speed FireWire 800 ports in addition to the
> standard FireWire 400 ports, you can use a 9-pin to
> 9-pin cable with the FireWire 800 ports to transfer
> data at higher speeds.)
>
> 3. Start up the first computer while holding down the T
> key.
>
> A disk icon for the first computer appears on the
> desktop on the second computer. Drag files to and
> from the disk to transfer them.
>
> 4. When you finish, eject the first computer's disk by
> dragging its icon to the Trash.
>
> 5. Push the power button on the first computer to shut
> it down and disconnect the FireWire cable.
>
> If the computer to which you connect your computer is
> running Mac OS 9, it must have FireWire version 2.3.3 or
> later installed. Use Apple System Profiler (located in
> Applications/Utilities) to check the version of FireWire
> installed. If it has an older version, get an update at
> the Apple FireWire website at www.apple.com/firewire.

Do the desktop G5's do Target Disk Mode? I thought I had read somewhere that
it was only for laptops. It would sure make things simple if it applied also
to desktop models.


--

Mike Levin
mlevin77@comcast.net

On 2/26/04 9:53 PM, in article 0jy%b.130200$jk2.542671@attbi_s53,
"jpmcwilliams" <jpmcw@comcast.net> wrote:

> J wrote:
>> On Thu, 26 Feb 2004 21:06:51 -0500, Michael Levin wrote
>> (in message <BC64106B.D35D%mlevin77@comcast.net>):
>>
>>
>>> I'm migrating my data files (about 100 Gigs total, on two internal drives)
>>> from my office G4 (desktop 2000 model) to a new G5, which will be placed in
>>> the same location. What's the easiest way to move the files? I know that
>>> laptops can be put into firewire Target mode; can the new G5 do that? If so,
>>> that might be the best way to go. Or, should I get an ethernet cable and
>>> connect them directly? Does that work, and if so, what kind of cable do I
>>> need (does the G5's ethernet port cross-over automatically?) and what else
>>> do I need to do in terms of networking setup on each side? I assume that
>>> putting them both on the network and copying files over the LAN, as well as
>>> doing it through an intermediary external firewire drive, are both slower
>>> than necessary. What's the best way?
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> I would get cat 5e or cat 6 ethernet cable. I think all newer apple computer
>> auto sense crossover. All you have to do then is make sure each computer has
>> its own IP address. Then you can copy files between them.
>
> Firewire is faster, easier and cheaper if you have the FW cable and not
> the Ethernet.
>
> Beyond that you could parition the G-5, use Carbon Copy Cloner to move
> the whole shebang from the G-4, and also install a squeaky clean osX
> into the second partition.
>
> John McWilliams

That's interesting. If I use CCC to copy my whole G4 OSX partition to one on
the G5, will the G5 boot off it, or does it need its own "special" OSX
install?


--

Mike Levin
mlevin77@comcast.net