The card comes from a G3 server, where it was working in conjunction
with 2 x 9 Gb Apple HDDs.

I was hoping to use them to upgrade my 7600/120 which has

Sonnet Crescendo G4 400 MHz CPU card
OS 9.1
Orange PCI Firewire Card to Lacie 160 Gb HDD (so PCI slots are all OK)
(I know but pre-Firewire Macs won't boot from a Firewire HDD)
1 Gb HDD, Iomega ZIP & HP Scanner on external SCSI bus
Original Apple 1 Gb HDD and Apple CD-ROM on internal bus

which all work :-))

The ATTO card has V1.2 firmware

When I install the ATTO card in the 7600, it starts to boot, both the
high term. and low term LEDS on the card light up, gray screen appears,
some accessing noises from various HDDs, top left screen pixel
disappears, arrow cursor appears and can be moved (which is the normal
boot sequence) and then everything locks after ~6 s :-(

Remove the ATTO card and everything is back to normal :-}

I've downloaded the trouble shooting guide from the ATTO website. I also
have their Express Pro-Tools Utility and the 1.6.6 firmware updater,
neither of which are much help since the Mac won't boot with the card in
place :-((

I've also trawled the Apple Support archives and spent quite a few hrs
searching the web.

I've tried:

1. Card with and without HDDs attached.
2. Cold and Hot PRAM ZAP (and CUDA reset which I think is the same as a
cold PRAM ZAP?)
3. Card in all of the 3 PCI slots.
4. Removal of Firewire PCI card.
5. Removal of all SCIS devices from both external and internal SCSI
buses (found an old OS 7.5.5 floppy I could boot from!)
6. Booting from OS 8.5 CD
7. Setting different startup disks.
8. Removing Sonnet G4 card and replacing with original 604PPC.
9. Changing SCSI IDs when 9 Gb HDDs attached to ATTO card.
10. Changing termination on 9 Gb HDDs attached to ATTO card.
11. The Command-shift-D on boot suggested by ATTO to disable the card
and allow updating of firmware doesn't work.
12. Most combinations of the above.
13. Waiting - apparently there is an issue on some machines where every
SCSI address is checked and it can take 7-8 mins to boot. Still hasn't
continued boot after 15 mins.

Somewhat to my surprise, I have managed all this without trashing
anything and my original system stills works without difficulty!

Any suggestions?

My previous experience with SCSI buses is that 99 times out of 100, the
problem is either ID # or termination but this card seems to be fully
software controlled. There are 4 pins on the card (J2) which I can find
no information on - are these anything to do with termination or ID # or
are they simply to power a remote 'busy' LED?

Will the ATTO card have been set up in a non-standard way in the G3
server?

Is the 7600 limited to only 2 SCSI buses?

Is the Ultra/Wide SCSI capability of the card a problem on the 7600?

Is there a PCI standards/speed problem of card versus 7600 PCI?

Do you think the ATTO card is trashed? Personally, I would have thought
that if it was garbage, the Mac would have still booted?

If I put the card in a wintel machine to test it, is this likely to
cause any further problems?

I did e-mail ATTO Tech Support a couple of days ago bu with no response,
so far.

All helpful suggestions gratefully received :-)
--
Larry Stoter

larry wrote:

> The card comes from a G3 server, where it was working in conjunction
> with 2 x 9 Gb Apple HDDs.
>
> I was hoping to use them to upgrade my 7600/120 which has

..../...

> Is the Ultra/Wide SCSI capability of the card a problem on the 7600?

..../...

> All helpful suggestions gratefully received :-)

---

I never used an ATTO card nor a 7600, so here are some "general"
suggestions:

(1) Do you know if the card (as of today) still works in another Mac?

(2) Did you search with the newgroups (via google)?

(3) Ultimately, if you need Ultra/Wide SCSI on your 7600, you might want to
try this "old" Adaptec card:

http://www.weirdstuff.com/commerce/c...=1062999872343

The firmware will probably be quite old and for PCs. Download the
PowerDomain utilities for Mac as well as the firmware update from the
Adaptec web site: it'll work like a charm with MacOS 9 and YDL 3 (I did
that for an old Power Computing clone). On the other hand I could not
install OS X which apparently does not include the drivers for it, so if
you want to run OS X, don't think about that solution, unless another
poster has an idea.

Note: The firmware hack (that transform a card from PC <-> Mac) does not
work with more recent OEM Adaptec card (I tried).

(4) Initially more expensive than (3):

http://eshop.macsales.com/Catalog_It...Item=STITAT133

But then the advantage is that you can then get GB and GB for cheap with IDE
drives (in comparison to SCSI drives). Works with OS 9, OS X and YDL. I
used a Tempo ATA 100 with the 3 OS and the chipset on the 133 is supposed
to be identical or compatible. The other advantage is that when you dump
the 7600 for a more recent Mac, the ATA card and the drives will be more
up-to-date for recycling.

HTH