Anton;
"In order for Vista to succeed they need buy in from manufacturers."
And obviously many manufacturers have as is demonstrated by the many
people that run Windows Vista successfully.
Windows Vista runs well for me on two older computers.

Your example is at least partially flawed.
If the tires are marketed for compact cars, it is up to the car
manufacturers to manufacture cars that meet the required specification
of the tires if they desire their customers use those tires.
If the compact car manufacturers will not, consumers will not or at
least should not purchase tires incompatible with their compact car.

However in following your example, some compact car manufacturers have
made cars that can use the tires and sold the tires with their compact
cars.
Some people purchase the tires without taking much into consideration
and complain to the compact car manufacturer that some tires will not
fit their compact car.
Others modify their compact cars to accommodate the tires and have
results varying from great success to complete failure.
The difference in success and failure is often the research done
before purchasing the tires.

--
Jupiter Jones [MVP]
[url]http://www3.telus.net/dandemar[/url]
[url]http://www.dts-l.org[/url]


"Anton Hinds" <no.email@please> wrote in message
news:uJysFY7KIHA.1204@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...[color=blue]
> Comments inline...
>[color=green]
>> In the 4 months you've been using Vista, have you completed a full
>> Windows Update, and how often do you check for updates? In the
>> first few
>> months, I checked daily. Auto Update still checks daily for me now,
>> but
>> usually only finds an update maybe one or twice a week.[/color]
>
> I ran Windows Update when I first got my computer and it runs
> everyday. I am definitely getting the patch Tuesday updates since I
> have to reboot Wednesday mornings.
>[color=green]
>> The wireless issues with Vista have been fixed in previously
>> relased
>> updates.[/color]
>
> I have all the updates and even the updated drivers from the
> manufacturer.
>[color=green]
>> Again, do you have the latest drivers?[/color]
>
> Yep.
>[color=green]
>> It's possible that the folder you are trying to search does not
>> appear
>> in the index. Open Control Panel, click on "System and
>> Maintenance",
>> then click on "Indexing Options". Click "Modify". Click "Show All
>> Locations". Make sure that there are check marks in the appropriate
>> drives, and that there are no exclusions listed.[/color]
>
> The folder was My Documents. Which is in the index. Like I said, it
> only fails sometimes.
>[color=green]
>> The only time Microsoft is responsible for hardware drivers is if
>> the
>> hardware is Microsofts own. It is NOT a Microsoft problem if a
>> third
>> party vendor such as Intel or nVidia drags their feet in providing
>> Vista
>> drivers.[/color]
>
> I used the words "ultimately responsible". I can go into business
> making monster truck tires for compact cars. From a business
> perspective, is it my fault that they don't make cars with wheel
> wells big enough for my tires or the car manufacturers fault? It is
> ultimately the company that makes the products responsibility to
> ensure their product works or it will fail in the market.
>
> In order for Vista to succeed they need buy in from manufacturers.
> Without it, Vista will fail.
>[color=green]
>> BTW, I've been using Vista x64, for nearly a year now, and have
>> never
>> had any problems with nVidia's drivers.[/color]
>
> I have a NVIDIA GeForce 8400GT and I have problems.
>[color=green]
>> You don't have to wait any longer than it takes you to re-enable
>> UAC
>> and install the proper drivers for your hardware...[/color]
>
> I have the latest of all drivers and I fail to see how turning off
> UAC can cause the OS to be unstable.
>
> -Anton[/color]