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Old 06-18-2004, 04:47 AM
Josh Einstein
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Re: Moving vertical scrollbars from Right to Left Side of Windows

I hear what you're saying but you've not said why existing apps would break.

I think I need to talk to a developer about it to understand what the big
problem is.

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"Chris H." <winxpnews********.com> wrote in message
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> Read Mike Williams post, Josh. Believe me, we've gone over this many
> years ago, and until we have an operating system built from the ground
> up - one that doesn't depend on legacy items - we're stuck with what we've
> got. I've got a lefty daughter, and she copes just fine. It could be
> easier for her, but with the discussions I've been part of over the years
> it isn't economically feasible with the current OS.
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> "Josh Einstein" <josheinstein********.com> wrote in message
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>> Okay that's respectable. But then I won't admit I am wrong. :) I will try
>> to get a technical explanation of this issue from the MS guys then,
>> because as a windows developer, I see no reason why this is not possible.
>> Scrollbars are nonclient areas which means the OS is responsible for
>> creating them. Just as apps aren't affected by XP skinning them, so
>> should they not be affected by orientation change.
>>
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>> Josh Einstein
>> Einstein Technologies
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>> "Chris H." <winxpnews********.com> wrote in message
>> news:eW5ApQNVEHA.3664@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
>>> Josh, I won't debate with you what Microsoft developers have said.
>>> Certain programs can do certain things, like I pointed out with OneNote
>>> currently (SP1 form), but the entire operating system is another issue.
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>>> Chris H.
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>>> "Josh Einstein" <josheinstein********.com> wrote in message
>>> news:e3XeWFNVEHA.264@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
>>>> That's not true. Things like multiline text boxes and html pages have
>>>> scrollbars by default. Developers don't do anything special to create
>>>> them.
>>>>
>>>> If the operating system simply rendered them on the left, the developer
>>>> wouldn't have to do anything differently. If you can give me an example
>>>> of something that would break, I will admit I'm wrong.
>>>>
>>>> Take a look at the IE menu I described. If they can draw a scrollbar on
>>>> the left when I click a menu, then why not always?
>>>>
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>>>> Josh Einstein
>>>> Einstein Technologies
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>>>> "Chris H." <winxpnews********.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:u97nRpMVEHA.3016@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
>>>>> Josh, as Terri has said, and I tried to impart in my response,
>>>>> Microsoft has dealt with this issue for years. Bill Gates is
>>>>> left-handed. An example is Microsoft can set this up for $50,000
>>>>> investment for research, development and adjustments on its current
>>>>> programs and operating systems.
>>>>>
>>>>> The other software companies around the world would need to spend
>>>>> millions or billions of dollars to revamp/rewrite their software to
>>>>> comply.
>>>>>
>>>>> Guess what the prudent approach is Microsoft has chosen to take until
>>>>> the Longhorn timeframe?
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>>>>> Chris H.
>>>>> Microsoft Windows MVP/Tablet PC
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>>>>>
>>>>> "Josh Einstein" <josheinstein********.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:%23IZK4$LVEHA.1652@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
>>>>>> In Internet Explorer, click the View Menu -> Encoding -> Right to
>>>>>> Left Document.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It messes up the way some things look unfortunately, and it has to be
>>>>>> set for each page. Web designers can apply this to individual DIV's
>>>>>> too which Spencer Goad has done on his web site
>>>>>> (www.tabletpcbuzz.com) so if you wanna check that out, go into the
>>>>>> profile after you've become a member and change your handedness to
>>>>>> left handed.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So the ability is technically there. It's just a matter of changing
>>>>>> the base controls. I can't forsee any major impact this would have on
>>>>>> existing applications so if it's a very necessary feature, MS should
>>>>>> be able to easily implement it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Josh Einstein
>>>>>> Einstein Technologies
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>>>>>
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>>>

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