Well, you have to take the bad with the good. All the 'regulars' in the
newsgroups, the most active participants, seemed to discourage talk about
"will we get rtm", "when will we get rtm". Of course, with the offer of a
free copy of vista, testers have come out to ask for the free copy, even
though they didn't send in any feedback. Those who have worked hard and have
participated in the newsgroups and feature foci find this 'cry baby' mess
annoying. I will admit that some errors could have been made, but I'd guess
the majority of those asking didn't participate.

Try not to 'discrimitate' against a whole group of 30,000 people based on
the postings of a few hundred. I'd argue that a significant number of people
in the group has helped in their own way.

Although I can't truely speak for the rest, I can say that I have submitted
a good number of bugs, mostly though the CPP but also several through the
tech beta. I really wasn't expecting a free copy of vista because from my
point of view that would be asking way to much for volunteer work. However,
I most certainly didn't turn the offer down when it was made available.

I will admit that what many people have done is childish. In fact, some of
it was plain stupid. It is impossible to go through life without coming
across a few selfish people.

Robert Firth
[url]http://www.winvistainfo.org[/url]


"Chad Harris" <Vista RTM is really Beta 1.net> wrote in message
news:eo8pfS2CHHA.1012@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...[color=blue]
> Richard--
>
> Sounds like play to me. What about all those cry babies on the
> Vista/Longhorn Beta group Cafe and General groups posting hundreds of
> times
> a week "Mommy Mommy Wendy pullleasssse gimme a new build. What work ethic
> was that?
>
> It looked like Pre-School 101 to me. Think any of them were housebroken?
>
> BTW every one of these people felt like they were part of a chosen tribe
> and
> this psychology was fed by MSFT. I missed the scenario where any of them
> had a 12 gauge shotgun stuffed in their mouth and forced to test. Help me
> find that one.
>
> CH
>
>
> "Richard Urban" <richardurbanREMOVETHIS********.com> wrote in message
> news:%233hRqezCHHA.4464@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...[color=green]
>> "Jon Acord" <JOn@theacords.biz> wrote in message
>> news:53678CBE-647E-45B3-A516-7B6548691DF8@microsoft.com...[color=darkred]
>>> It's been a long road helping Micro$oft beta test Vi$ta. I've been
>>> doing
>>> it
>>> since it was called Longhorn. I have submitted Just under a dozen bug
>>> reports. I have installed and uninstalled it more times than I care to
>>> remember in my zeal and enthusiasm. I have believed in this product
>>> when
>>> no
>>> one else did. When I hear that Micro$oft is giving away 'complimentary'
>>> copies only to MSDN and TechNet subscribers I felt as if someone had
>>> slapped
>>> my face. So, just because I tested Vi$ta VIA the customer preview
>>> program
>>> I
>>> am screwed out of my gift? I feel I have earned a copy. You mean,
>>> because I
>>> did not pay Micro$oft a $600.00 subscription fee to beta test and better
>>> their software I am beneath their notice? This is typical of a large,
>>> bloated, corporate monster that does not care one iota about the people
>>> who
>>> made them their most precious $$$. This proves that Micro$oft does not
>>> have
>>> a heart, all they care about is money.
>>>
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>>> This post is a suggestion for Microsoft, and Microsoft responds to the
>>> suggestions with the most votes. To vote for this suggestion, click the
>>> "I
>>> Agree" button in the message pane. If you do not see the button, follow
>>> this
>>> link to open the suggestion in the Microsoft Web-based Newsreader and
>>> then
>>> click "I Agree" in the message pane.
>>>
>>> [url]http://windowshelp.microsoft.com/communities/newsgroups/en-us/default.mspx?mid=53678cbe-647e-45b3-a516-7b6548691df8&dg=microsoft.public.windows.vista.general[/url][/color]
>>
>>
>>
>> You are "NOT" a beta tester unless you signed on as such. Getting Vista
>> from the CCP site was just an opportunity for you to try it out. Some
>> true
>> beta testers were reloading their operating systems on an almost daily
>> basis. It took a lot of work, no play. They had to dedicate a large part
>> of their daily hours to this task (not play).
>>
>> I know of one fellow who sometimes loaded 2 times a day when he got word
>> of a newer version.
>>
>> Again, you are owed NOTHING - period!
>>
>> --
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Richard Urban
>> Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User
>> (For email, remove the obvious from my address)
>>
>> Quote from George Ankner:
>> If you knew as much as you think you know,
>> You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!
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>
>
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