Jupiter

I think you may have missed the point. There is a Catch 22 here!

We have hundreds of Windows XP installations. Like many with a large number
of PC's we are going to wait and see how Vista goes, at present it does not
offer any value for money. We certainly will not buy it this year.

All users are distrustful of going to Vista because XP Pro is a well
understood and reliable system. Yet if lots of users hold off until Vista is
"mature" how will Microsoft get the feedback to improve it?

Perhaps Windows has reached the end of its development and Microsoft can not
really improve it much, and just float new versions to keep their cash
flowing in?

Think of the car manufacturers in a similar situation who mostly
disappeared.

John Butler


Jupiter Jones [MVP]" <jones_jupiter@hotnomail.com> wrote in message
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> "I am dead in the water waiting for the VS patch for Vista, and all
> because I decided to upgrade to Vista"
> Really?
> You installed something new on your computer without adequately testing or
> researching beforehand?
> Developers I know would do it differently and they do.
>
> The Upgrade Advisor is just that an advisor.
> No one should make more of that or other similar tools than there is.
> You also needed to do appropriate research based on your specific needs.
>
> "I guess everybody was in the dark here"
> Not really, however some hardware manufacturers have done more than
> others.
> If the printer is important, why didn't you verify Vista compatibility
> with HP before upgrading.
>
> UAC is for real and it works very well.
> Once I had my computer setup, I rarely see UAC.
> Disable UAC while you set up the computer.
> Then once done, reenable UAC.
> However some, relatively few, have legitimate reasons to disable UAC.
>
> "Wish I could get my money back."
> Very easy, return it to the seller.
> If you live in North America, you can return vista directly to Microsoft
> if the seller does not accept returns.
>
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> Jupiter Jones [MVP]
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> "jmathers" <jm********.com> wrote in message
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>> Isn't that what Bill said? And who the heck was doing the testing?
>> Must have been the same people that are taking care of most technical
>> support issues these daze.
>> I can not believe that Visual Studio 2005 SP1 behaves the way it does
>> in Vista; its a joke. Yeah, I know, there's a Beta patch for Vista
>> users; and why would I apply anything Beta from Microsoft, when the
>> production/live stuff doesn't work worth a crap. Currently I am dead
>> in the water waiting for the VS patch for Vista, and all because I
>> decided to upgrade to Vista. Wish I could get my money back. Funny
>> thing is, I downloaded and ran the Vista upgrade advisor program that
>> was supposed to tell me about these issues. Never reported a single
>> issue until I actually started the upgrade process, then it told me
>> that I needed to uninstall a number of programs. Visual Studio wasn't
>> one of them. THe upgrade advisor never told me that the upgrade was
>> going to throw away my current printer drivers, because there are no
>> supported drivers for a printer I bought 1 year ago. HP has told me
>> they will support the printer, it might be a while though. I guess
>> everybody was in the dark here about when people might actually need
>> this stuff.
>>
>> Its great to see all the old problems I used to experience, suddenly
>> reappear. Like clicking on the recycle bin, emptying the trash, but
>> the list stays there, although it says it emptied the trash.
>>
>> Is the UAC for real? I would imagine 99.9% of the users have turned
>> this crap off. Is it OK to do this on virtually everything you try
>> and do. I feel like my mother is watching and approving everything I
>> do.
>>
>> Are users expected to debug the few gadgets that are out there? I
>> have downloaded several of these and end up with errors when I reboot,
>> asking me if I want to debug... Why the heck would I want a Weather
>> gadget that never seems to update. What am I supposed to do with this
>> debug information; maybe actually fix the Gadget? I know what
>> happened; the people who worked on the OS also wrote some Gadgets!
>>
>> I'm not sure how to fix the IE message "The current web page is trying
>> to open a site in your trusted sites" message. Jeez, I am on a
>> Microsoft web site trying to look at the Gadgets. Love the navigation
>> there also. I am looking for the new stuff, so maybe selecting last
>> record and working backwards will work; NOT.
>>
>> I want names and numbers for the people responsible for this atrocity
>> called Vista![/color]
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