I was only one of the testers ;)

There were tons of us working on this.

Even with that said, Vista is going to have issues until SP1, no arguments
there.

How many of those issues reside with MS and how many reside with HW
manufacturers is up for debate.

Vista is not perfect, nor will any OS be.

Remember they just made a huge jump in the number of people using the OS.
New issues are bound to come up.



"Dale" <nospam@nospam.ever> wrote in message
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> "jmathers" <jm********.com> wrote in message
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>> Isn't that what Bill said? And who the heck was doing the testing?[/color]
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> Shane Nokes
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>> Must have been the same people that are taking care of most technical
>> support issues these daze.
>> I can not believe that Visual Studio 2005 SP1 behaves the way it does
>> in Vista; its a joke. Yeah, I know, there's a Beta patch for Vista
>> users; and why would I apply anything Beta from Microsoft, when the
>> production/live stuff doesn't work worth a crap. Currently I am dead
>> in the water waiting for the VS patch for Vista, and all because I
>> decided to upgrade to Vista.[/color]
>
> You installed a new OS on a production development box without checking
> the MSDN newsgroups to see if it would work? Are you familiar with
> msdn.microsoft.com? It has been all over there for months.
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>>Wish I could get my money back.[/color]
>
> You can
>[color=green]
>>Funny
>> thing is, I downloaded and ran the Vista upgrade advisor program that
>> was supposed to tell me about these issues. Never reported a single
>> issue until I actually started the upgrade process, then it told me
>> that I needed to uninstall a number of programs. Visual Studio wasn't
>> one of them. THe upgrade advisor never told me that the upgrade was
>> going to throw away my current printer drivers, because there are no
>> supported drivers for a printer I bought 1 year ago. HP has told me
>> they will support the printer, it might be a while though. I guess
>> everybody was in the dark here about when people might actually need
>> this stuff.[/color]
>
> And I cannot imagine that a developer would do an upgrade rather than a
> clean install.
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>>
>> Its great to see all the old problems I used to experience, suddenly
>> reappear. Like clicking on the recycle bin, emptying the trash, but
>> the list stays there, although it says it emptied the trash.[/color]
>
> Yep. You got 'em on that one. Score: Them 3, you .005[color=green]
>>
>> Is the UAC for real? I would imagine 99.9% of the users have turned
>> this crap off. Is it OK to do this on virtually everything you try
>> and do. I feel like my mother is watching and approving everything I
>> do.[/color]
>
> Read the posts. Decide for yourself. You either want security or you
> don't. They give you the option.
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>>
>> Are users expected to debug the few gadgets that are out there? I
>> have downloaded several of these and end up with errors when I reboot,
>> asking me if I want to debug... Why the heck would I want a Weather
>> gadget that never seems to update. What am I supposed to do with this
>> debug information; maybe actually fix the Gadget? I know what
>> happened; the people who worked on the OS also wrote some Gadgets![/color]
>
> Gadgets aren't critical development tools - at least any gadgets I have
> seen so far. *shrug*.. skip them if they don't work. Even on a home pc
> used for surfing or whatever else, they're optional. You can disable
> them.
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>>
>> I'm not sure how to fix the IE message "The current web page is trying
>> to open a site in your trusted sites" message. Jeez, I am on a
>> Microsoft web site trying to look at the Gadgets. Love the navigation
>> there also. I am looking for the new stuff, so maybe selecting last
>> record and working backwards will work; NOT.
>>
>> I want names and numbers for the people responsible for this atrocity
>> called Vista![/color]
>
> 1-800-Microsoft. Mr. Bill Gates.
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