On Fri, 05 May 2006 04:46:46 -0700, paddy <o'rocker@.nl> wrote in
<DWG6g.176$t54.157@fe07.lga> :

|>Vanguard wrote:
|>> "sally" <@int.net> wrote in message news:PGu6g.315$1R4.154@fe06.lga...
|>> <snip>
|>>> update WASHINGTON--Broadband providers and Internet phone companies
|>>> will have to pick up the tab for the cost of building in mandatory
|>>> wiretap access for police surveillance, federal regulators ruled
|>>> Wednesday.
|>>
|>> <snip>
|>>
|>> So how is logging, tapping, or otherwise retrieving the traffic from an
|>> SSL connection going to help the police? It's encrypted. Seems the
|>> gov't is so far behind technology. Sites that will want to keep their
|>> conversations secret will start using SSL. Or users that are concerned
|>> about their traffic being monitored at their ISP will start using
|>> anonymizing proxies that provide SSL connects. More users may finally
|>> get pushed off their butts to start using certs to encrypt their
|>> e-mails. Users will just end up securing their communications to thwart
|>> the spying.
|>>
|>Anomious browsers, proxies,encryption etc don't mean a thing.
|>The Appliance is at every outgoing server and intercepted before it goes
|>anywhere. They have all the encryption keys. No one can sell a program,
|>os, or whatever without their input and approval.
|>Welcome to the Police State where everyone is a potential threat and
|>unmonitored speech is prohibited.

Um, "prohibited" or "monitored"? There is, of course, a
difference.

In the early days of Amateur or "Ham" radio, for example, there
was a definite distinction between "codes" and "ciphers".

And there still is, incidentally.... Very basically, a "code"
word or phrase can mean anything. The BBC could have indicated
the imminent landing of allied troops on European beaches by
playing the song "The Saints Go Marching In" at a particular time
on a particular program on a particular set of frequencies.

This is a simple example of a prearranged "code".

A cipher, on the other hand just rearranges letters and is much
more flexible "Allied landing tomorrow 0700" might become "allie
dland ingto momor roatz erose venhu ndred hoursf"

Now this isn't like to fool anyone just because it has been
broken into 5 character groups.

Those using Forte Agent might want to highlight it, then use the
ROT13 encypherment under edit|ROT13 when it then becomes

nyyvr qynaq vatgb zbzbe ebngm rebfr irauh aqerq ubhef

However, this alphabetic rotation isn't going to fool many people
these days. Maybe a couple of centuries ago.

OK, this is an extremely basic example of an example between a
code and a cypher.

Codes can express almost anything in small groups, but they
aren't very flexible. A century ago most were used to reduce
telegraphic and cable costs in transmission, not to conceal
information.

The following info is in from an old codebook. Anyone else on
the group have a copy?

coloc fiyav ulweh corge apufk coloc vylze kujwa

Codes can come in many forms, of course. Photos can contain
coded info in slight displacement or color of pixels to contain
copyright info...or any other info, for that matter.

So just how do we define censorship in terms of what could or
should be censored, but more importantly how could it be
enforced?

Cheers,