Hi

I really don't want to sound like I am disrespecting your advice but I feel
one point I keep making is being over looked.

For well over two years my system has been fine with all the applications
running that I have now.

Spybot, Zone Alarm, SPG and SPB all running without issue.

The problem only came up around the time of the June MS updates.

Also, I have disabled everything by booting with msconfig to switch off all
non MS programmes.
Sure ZA and Avira tried to carry on but I did stop them.

Thanks

Mike

"PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote:

> No, it is not normal. Are absolutely, 100% positively sure that Tea Timer's
> been disabled, Mike?
>
> One or more options/settings in an ever-growing number of third-party
> applications may be disallowing all these changes from "sticking" after
> closing IE or rebooting. These include anti-spyware applications (e.g.,
> Ad-aware's Ad-Watch, Spybot **Tea Timer**, SpywareBlaster, SpySweeper,
> Spyware Doctor, CounterSpy, WinPatrol, etc), anti-virus applications &
> security suites (Norton, McAfee, ESET/NOD32, Kasperky, Trend Micro, etc.),
> and third-party firewalls (e.g., **Zone Alarm**, etc.).
>
> Note that temporarily disabling the application(s) or rebooting into Safe
> Mode may not disable the application's system protections.
>
> I still suspect ZoneAlarm (Free?) is the responsible party here. (Note that
> simply disabling ZA temporarily will not disable it's "system protections.")
> I'll give you two recommendations/options:
>
> #1 => Post about these unwanted behaviors in the appropriate ZA forum:
> http://forums.zonelabs.com/zonelabs
>
>
> #2 => Disable all ZA "system protections" and then uninstall ZA. Be sure to
> enable the Windows Firewall after doing so!
>
> Best of luck.
>
>
> Mike wrote:
> > I just noticed another weird thing!
> >
> > When you add a site to the priovacy tab 'always allow' option it appears
> > at
> > the bottom of the list of 'always block' however when you log out of IE
> > and
> > go back the allowed entery is missing!
> >
> > Is this normal?
> >
> > "Mike" wrote:
> >> Yes the problem continues!
> >>
> >> But as I said above I have switched everything off using msconfig apart
> >> from MS services and still the problem continues.
> >> But I have disabled tea timer and the IE add on for now despite having no
> >> trouble for years with it, I guess a update to spybot could have
> >> introduced
> >> something.
> >>
> >> "PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote:
> >>
> >>> Reposting:
> >>>>> If you (1) disable Spybot Tea Timer & (2) reboot, (3) visit the sites
> >>>>> in
> >>>>> question & log-in, then (4) close the IE window without logging-out,
> >>>>> (5)
> >>>>> reboot, and (6) revisit the sites, does the behavior persist?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> HOW TO disable Tea Timer: http://aumha.net/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=32409
> >>>>>
> >>>>> NB: If you don't fully understand what Tea Timer does and how it does
> >>>>> it, leave it permanently disabled.
> >>>
> >>> Mike wrote:
> >>>> OK stopping ZA made no differance sadly :-(
> >>>>
> >>>> "PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>>> Having real trouble posting here as well now
> >>>>>
> >>>>> You may prefer to access this newsgroup in your default newsreader
> >>>>> (e.g., Outlook Express). Click this link:
> >>>>> news://msnews.microsoft.com/microsof...plorer.general
> >>>>>
> >>>>> You were going to test this behavior after disabling ZA and then
> >>>>> enabling the Windows Firewall. What effect, if any, did that have?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> If you (1) disable Spybot Tea Timer & (2) reboot, (3) visit the sites
> >>>>> in
> >>>>> question & log-in, then (4) close the IE window without logging-out,
> >>>>> (5)
> >>>>> reboot, and (6) revisit the sites, does the behavior persist?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> HOW TO disable Tea Timer: http://aumha.net/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=32409
> >>>>>
> >>>>> NB: If you don't fully understand what Tea Timer does and how it does
> >>>>> it, leave it permanently disabled.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> My system has worked for years without issue the only common change I
> >>>>>> can
> >>>>>> think of is the June updates.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Sorry, I was under the impression that you were experiencing the
> >>>>> unwanted behavior prior to installing the June Update and IE7. Try
> >>>>> the
> >>>>> above for now then we'll consider other options, Mike.
> >>>>> --
> >>>>> ~PA Bear
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Mike wrote:
> >>>>>> Having real trouble posting here as well now :-(
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Yes to all your questons.
> >>>>>> I have taken all steps I can think of to isolate the cause including
> >>>>>> stoping
> >>>>>> all services and start ups other than MS ones.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> My system has worked for years without issue the only common changeI
> >>>>>> can think of is the June updates.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I'll give it a few hours and see if my other full reply shows up!
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> "PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote:
> >>>>>>>> Was on PC Q&A said IE6 was the problem.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I doubt it.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> OK re Norton, no Ghost is my main back up and this is why you see
> >>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>> Norton stuff.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Nevertheless, there are some leftovers from Norton System Works and
> >>>>>>> they
> >>>>>>> may have something to do with your problems. Unfortunately, the
> >>>>>>> only
> >>>>>>> way
> >>>>>>> to get rid of them would also remove Ghost.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I don't use the Nero thing at all.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Then why is it still installed & loading at boot?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Been running Avira for some time now, AVG prior to that.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> The Norton leftovers may have compromised the installs of both Avira
> >>>>>>> and
> >>>>>>> AVG.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> The problem occured when I was usinging IE6.
> >>>>>>>> I installed IE7 after the June updates.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Then neither IE7 nor the June updates are causing your problems.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I have used spybot and its tea timer for many years now.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Again, do you understand what Tea Timer does and how it does it?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Did you disable (1) Tea Timer & SDHelper, (2) your anti-virus
> >>>>>>> application,
> >>>>>>> and (3) ZoneAlarm *and then* (4) enable the Windows Firewall before
> >>>>>>> you installed WinXP SP3?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Yes I have put some of the sites into always allow.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Does that include yahoo.com, ebay.com, and all of your forums (e.g.,
> >>>>>>> pcqanda.com)?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Mike wrote:
> >>>>>>>> Was on PC Q&A said IE6 was the problem.
> >>>>>>>> Its OK I quite like IE7
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> OK re Norton, no Ghost is my main back up and this is why you see
> >>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>> Norton
> >>>>>>>> stuff.
> >>>>>>>> I don't use the Nero thing at all.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Been running Avira for some time now, AVG prior to that.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> The problem occured when I was usinging IE6.
> >>>>>>>> I installed IE7 after the June updates.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I have used spybot and its tea timer for many years now.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Auto Complete, forms is the only unchecked box.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Yes I have put some of the sites into always allow.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I'll try the Zone alarm test and report back shortly.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> "PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>> HI, I was using IE 6 but was told to go to IE 7 to solve this
> >>>>>>>>>>>> problem
> >>>>>>>>>>>> but...
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Who told you that, Mike?
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Did you only recently install Avira AntiVir and had you been
> >>>>>>>>> running
> >>>>>>>>> without any anti-virus protection until then?
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Your HijackThis log suggestes that you used to have a Norton
> >>>>>>>>> application
> >>>>>>>>> installed which included Norton Ghost and Norton AntiVirus (e.g.,
> >>>>>>>>> Norton
> >>>>>>>>> System Works) and that you attempted to remove NAV, leaving Ghost
> >>>>>>>>> in
> >>>>>>>>> place.
> >>>>>>>>> Unfortunately, some NAV leftovers remain on your computer and
> >>>>>>>>> these
> >>>>>>>>> may
> >>>>>>>>> be
> >>>>>>>>> the culprit here.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Since you have Nero BackItUp installed, do you still need Ghost?
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> How long has Spybot been installed and Tea Timer enabled? Do you
> >>>>>>>>> understand what Tea Timer does and how it does it?
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> When did you install IE7, before or after you installed the June
> >>>>>>>>> 2009 updates?
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> IE Tools | Internet Options | Content | AutoComplete | Settings |
> >>>>>>>>> Use AutoComplete for: What options, if any, are checked/enabled
> >>>>>>>>> here?
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> IE Tools | Internet Options | Privacy | Sites: Are the sites
> >>>>>>>>> giving
> >>>>>>>>> you
> >>>>>>>>> problems (e.g., Yahoo, eBay) listed in Managed Sites box with the
> >>>>>>>>> "Always
> >>>>>>>>> Allow" annotation?
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> If you disable ZA and then enable the Windows Firewall, does the
> >>>>>>>>> unwanted
> >>>>>>>>> behavior persist?
> >>>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>>> ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
> >>>>>>>>> MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Client - since 2002
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Mike wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> Bit more of an update.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> I found Windows live safety scanner installed despite my not
> >>>>>>>>>> having
> >>>>>>>>>> done
> >>>>>>>>>> so!
> >>>>>>>>>> Removed it thinking it was the reason for this but alas no.
> >>>>>>>>>> Also, installed Firefox but it has the exact same problem.
> >>>>>>>>>> The cookie will stand once but X out of IE twice and its gone.
> >>>>>>>>>> I just have no idea what is doing this?
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Suspect updates maybe?
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> KB969897
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> KB938127-v2 (no info found)
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> KB968537
> >>>>>>>>>> KB969898
> >>>>>>>>>> KB970238
> >>>>>>>>>> KB961501
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Be nice to get some help on this I see I am not alone
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> "Mike" wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>> Update.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> User log on cookies will not stand.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Have scanned system in safe mode and no infections found.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Using msconfig stopped all services and start ups other than MS
> >>>>>>>>>>> ones.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Problem continued.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> The browser (IE7) will store the cookie initially, it can be
> >>>>>>>>>>> seen
> >>>>>>>>>>> in
> >>>>>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>>>> 'files' tab and if double clicked
> >>>>>>>>>>> you can read the information in the cookie.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> If you shut down IE and go back in the cookie seems ok and you
> >>>>>>>>>>> are
> >>>>>>>>>>> still
> >>>>>>>>>>> logged in.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> However, do it a second time and the cookie does not work.
> >>>>>>>>>>> If you check the 'file' tab the cookie still shows but when you
> >>>>>>>>>>> double
> >>>>>>>>>>> click on it
> >>>>>>>>>>> you get file/path not found error
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> IE is set to medium.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> "Mike" wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>> HI, I was using IE 6 but was told to go to IE 7 to solve this
> >>>>>>>>>>>> problem
> >>>>>>>>>>>> but
> >>>>>>>>>>>> it has not.
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Towards the end of last week after a load of MS updates I
> >>>>>>>>>>>> suddenly found
> >>>>>>>>>>>> that I had to enter my log in details for all my sites like
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Yahoo, ebay
> >>>>>>>>>>>> and many forums.
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Everytime I shut down IE I seemed to lose my log in cookies.