Thanks for the clarification. Another reason to go to 64 bit :-)

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Kerry Brown
Microsoft MVP - Shell/User
[url]http://www.vistahelp.ca[/url]


""Darrell Gorter[MSFT]"" <Darrellg@online.microsoft.com> wrote in message
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> Hello Colin,
> That option is limited to 64-bit. It is not available for 32-bit Windows
> Vista
> Thanks,
> Darrell Gorter[MSFT]
>
> This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights
> --------------------
> |>From: "Colin Barnhorst" <colinbarharst@msn.com>
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> |>That's the way I am reading it based on the Upgrade Matrix, the notes
> that
> |>follow, and Darrel's much more limited experiment. He answered a
> specific
> |>question relating to a specific scenario, but his result at least
> indicates
> |>that there are cases where Setup does not require running from the
> desktop
> |>even when an upgrade edition pk is used.
> |>
> |>"Kerry Brown" <kerry@kdbNOSPAMsys-tems.c*a*m> wrote in message
> |>news:ur0Q7ESNHHA.1276@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> |>> "Colin Barnhorst" <colinbarharst@msn.com> wrote in message
> |>> news:D3B1BD07-AECC-4E23-8486-FE5E98ED803B@microsoft.com...
> |>>> New info on "clean" installations and the implications for migrating
> from
> |>>> x86 to x64 with an upgrade edition.
> |>>>
> |>>> Darrel Gorter replied in one of the ng's yesterday that he had
> performed
> |>>> an experiment for us with an upgrade edition product key. This is a
> |>>> first from a Microsoft person. Thank you very much, Darrel.
> |>>>
> |>>> Based on Darrel's experiment with XP x86 and XP x64, it IS possible
> to
> |>>> run Setup from a dvd boot in some scenarios. His experiment was to
> use
> |>>> an upgrade product key with one of the yellow dot scenarios. What he
> |>>> found out was that in those cases entering the UE pk does NOT trigger
> the
> |>>> message to restart the computer and run Setup from the legacy
> desktop.
> |>>> Setup continued and completed the installation.
> |>>>
> |>>> Darrel's findings showed that a classic clean install may not be
> possible
> |>>> when upgrading from XP x86 to Vista x86, but should be when migrating
> |>>> from Win2k or XP Pro x64 to Vista. Based on Darrel's experiment with
> XP
> |>>> x86 and XP x64, it IS possible to run Setup from a dvd boot in some
> |>>> scenarios. His experiment was to use an upgrade product key with XP
> x86
> |>>> to Vista x86 (upgrade scenario) and with XP x64 to Vista x64
> (migration
> |>>> scenario). What he found out was that XP x86 to Vista x86 required
> |>>> restarting and running from the desktop, but XP x64 to Vista did not.
> In
> |>>> that case entering the UE pk did NOT trigger the message to restart
> the
> |>>> computer and run Setup from the legacy desktop. Setup continued and
> |>>> completed the installation from a dvd boot even though he had entered
> an
> |>>> upgrade edition product key.
> |>>>
> |>>> Look at the Upgrade Matrix on Get Ready. The green dots are the
> |>>> upgrades, meaning that you will have to run Setup from an XP desktop.
> |>>> When you do so the Advanced Options (including format) are not be
> |>>> available. The AOs are only available in Setup when you can start
> Setup
> |>>> following a dvd boot. Therefore you can only do a classic clean
> |>>> installation in a scenario that permits running Setup following a dvd
> |>>> boot (and that should be all the yellow dots in the Matrix).
> |>>>
> |>>> The yellow dots in the Matrix are what I prefer to call migrations.
> |>>> Migrations are where you save all your files and settings, install
> |>>> Windows, reinstall your apps, and then restore your files and
> settings.
> |>>>
> |>>> Darrel said that he believes that upon entry of an UE pk, Setup runs
> a
> |>>> compliance check to see if any qualifying Windows installations exist
> on
> |>>> the system that qualify for upgrade pricing and based on that does
> one
> of
> |>>> the following:
> |>>>
> |>>> (1) If there is an XP edition that can be upgraded to an equivalent
> or
> |>>> higher edition of Vista then you get the message to restart and run
> Setup
> |>>> from the XP desktop. The upgrade option will be enabled when you do
> so.
> |>>>
> |>>> (2) If there is a Win2k, XP Pro x64, or version of XP that would lose
> |>>> functionality (XP Pro to Vista Home Premium, for example), then Setup
> |>>> continues without requiring running from a desktop. What you get
> with
> |>>> (2) is a migration. The upgrade option would have been disabled if
> you
> |>>> had run Setup from the desktop.
> |>>>
> |>>> (3) If none is found you should have purchased a full edition.
> |>>>
> |>>> If (2) holds true for all the yellow dots, it would mean that you can
> do
> |>>> a classic clean installation of Vista as long as running from the
> desktop
> |>>> is not required because (a) the legacy OS is not running (and
> therefore
> |>>> the system drive can be formatted) and (b) the Advanced Options are
> |>>> available when booting with the dvd.
> |>>>
> |>>> Also, if (2) holds true for all the yellow dots, it would mean that a
> |>>> Win2k or XP x86 user could migrate from x86 to x64 with an UE pk by
> |>>> booting with the x64 dvd instead of the x86 dvd. That will be very
> |>>> welcome news indeed. It also explains how the process works for XP
> Pro
> |>>> x64 users when using an UE pk to migrate to Vista x64.
> |>>>
> |>>> It appears that Darrel's and Carey's statements a few weeks ago that
> |>>> booting with a dvd and entering a UE pk required restarting the
> machine
> |>>> and running Setup from the legacy desktop were ONLY applicable when
> |>>> upgrading XP x86 to Vista x86 and only then if a loss of
> functionality
> |>>> would not be involved.
> |>>>
> |>>> Until Darrel's reply yesterday I had not seen a single first hand
> report
> |>>> of any attempt to use an UE pk in one of the yellow dot scenarios.
> |>>> Darrel was very gracious to take the time to do it for us because I
> don't
> |>>> think it was in his job description.
> |>>>
> |>>>
> |>>
> |>>
> |>> Thanks for that Colin. Let me see if I've got it right. Please correct
> me
> |>> if wrong.
> |>>
> |>> 1) To use a Vista upgrade you have to have a qualifying OS installed
> on
> |>> the computer.
> |>>
> |>> 2) If it is possible to upgrade the qualifying OS installation that is
> the
> |>> only option available.
> |>>
> |>> 3) If it is not possible to upgrade the qualifying OS installation
> then
> |>> you can boot from the Vista media and perform a clean install wiping
> out
> |>> the qualifying OS.
> |>>
> |>> This makes sense. I'm not complaining about the way previous Windows
> |>> upgrades worked but I often wondered why anyone bought full retail
> |>> versions when it was so easy to fool the upgrade. I would like to see
> a
> |>> way to work around #2 and still have a way to ensure the upgrade is
> |>> legitimate as I prefer a clean install but I can live with this
> scenario.
> |>> I was afraid from what we had heard previously that you wouldn't be
> able
> |>> to use upgrade keys with OS' that couldn't be upgraded and a clean
> install
> |>> was needed.
> |>>
> |>> --
> |>> Kerry Brown
> |>> Microsoft MVP - Shell/User
> |>> [url]http://www.vistahelp.ca[/url]
> |>>
> |>>
> |>
> |>
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