##Alias## wrote:
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> Mike Brannigan wrote:
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>> Mike Brannigan
>> "##Alias##" <aka@masked&anonymous.ec> wrote in message
>> news:%23AEeEwj7IHA.3624@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>[color=darkred]
>>> Mike Brannigan wrote:
>>>
>>>> Mike Brannigan
>>>> "##Alias##" <aka@masked&anonymous.ec> wrote in message
>>>> news:eGTFyaj7IHA.3696@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>>>
>>>>> Mike Brannigan wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> "Munchichic" <Munchichic@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in
>>>>>> message news:7603593E-14EB-4C8F-BCEE-DB8A4456BB24@microsoft.com...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi Everyone. I realize this may be a "touchy" subject but I need
>>>>>>> to ask.
>>>>>>> After a massive computer failure I just bought a new Dell XPS 420
>>>>>>> desktop PC.
>>>>>>> My first Dell purchase. It came preloaded with Microsoft Vista
>>>>>>> Home Premium.
>>>>>>> I asked Dell for an original Microsoft installation CD as a
>>>>>>> backup. They
>>>>>>> refused. I have several friends and relatives who purchased Dell
>>>>>>> computers
>>>>>>> and many of them requested the same disc from Dell and received
>>>>>>> it without
>>>>>>> incident (some within the last 2 months). I think I should be
>>>>>>> entitled to a
>>>>>>> copy of the installation CD and not one that is from Dell
>>>>>>> preloaded with a
>>>>>>> bunch of Dell crap on it. Why can't I receive an original Windows
>>>>>>> CD like
>>>>>>> everyone else has requested? Am I asking the wrong person? What
>>>>>>> am I doing
>>>>>>> wrong? Any help is appreciated. I just spent $1000 on this new
>>>>>>> computer and
>>>>>>> think that should entitle me to the Windows OS disc (and I expect
>>>>>>> it will
>>>>>>> have the same product key that was used to install on my new
>>>>>>> Dell). Thank you.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dell have done nothing wrong.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Of course not, ripping people off as long as Microsoft approves it
>>>>> is just fine and dandy.
>>>>>
>>>>> Snip long winded justification for the rip off.
>>>>>
>>>>> Alias
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Where's the rip off?
>>>> The buyer of a Dell PC gets a machine preinstalled with Windows and
>>>> whatever else Dell want to put on there.
>>>> And then they provide you with a method to get it back to just as
>>>> you bought it.
>>>> No one is promised anything else. What else do you expect and why ?
>>>> And in particular why do you think you need or should have anything
>>>> more then to get the machine back to exactly as how you got it when
>>>> you ordered it ?
>>>
>>>
>>> You see, the scam is so generalized that you think it's normal to
>>> load a computer with crap and sell it without providing a real copy
>>> of Windows. Dell, Microsoft and the boys know that most people are
>>> not aware of what's being done so they take full and complete
>>> advantage of their ignorance and shills like you defend it. The
>>> proper way to sell a machine is to include a copy of Windows and a CD
>>> with all the drivers without trial crap that in many cases is a real
>>> PIA to remove. But, hell, MS is happy; Dell is happy; the vendors of
>>> programs like Norton are happy and the computer user is screwed but
>>> three out of four ain't bad, right? And MS prices it so that white
>>> box makers, who really provide what should be provided, have a hard
>>> time competing.
>>>
>>> Alias[/color]
>>
>>
>> You do get a real (genuine) copy of Windows - it is preinstalled.[/color]
>
>
> One of my points.
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>> Most people do not want or need a generic OS DVD as they have no need to
>> move themselves out of support by doing anything other then recovering
>> to as
>> shipped.[/color]
>
>
> You speak for Mike, not for "most people" and it should be shipped with
> a recovery CD that includes the OS and the drivers for the hardware,
> nothing more.
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>> You need to stop thinking about your own situation as a none standard
>> user
>> who may do OS reinstalls etc, and remember the millions of PC users
>> who just
>> use the device and don't do any reinstalls etc.[/color]
>
>
> LOL! You don't get out much, do you?
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>> Why do you think "the computer user is screwed"? they get the machine
>> they
>> get an OS at a tiny fraction of what they would have paid retail then
>> get it
>> preconfigured and ready to use of the the box with additional software
>> that
>> many may find useful (and those that do not can either just delete the
>> icons
>> or uninstall it) and the only people here complaining are ones like
>> you who
>> are the exception to the vast majority of PC users today.[/color]
>
>
> This and the office newsgroups are full of complaints about the trial
> software like Office 07, Norton and McAfee.
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>> (Yes I realize
>> that a number of years ago the techie user was the predominant PC user
>> but
>> not today).[/color]
>
>
> That was many, many years ago, like over a decade.
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>> Microsoft may price their OS as they see fit (with large scale royalty
>> OEMs,
>> generic OEM products in multiple packs, or singles and retail products
>> too)
>> to recover the massive R&D costs and to incentivize OEMs to ship their
>> OS.
>> There is no point bitching that the white box manufacturer who may
>> wish to
>> ship a few Windows here and there as well as sell other OS or none OS
>> machines
>> should be given the same pricing as a massive royalty OEM who commits to
>> ship tens of thousands of systems. This is no different to the
>> purchase of
>> a single retail copy of Office for $x00's dollars vs a large company
>> getting
>> an Enterprise Agreement for 20,000 seats and paying the equivalent of
>> $x0's
>> dollars. This is just market forces at work (Microsoft can depend on the
>> revenue stream from a royalty OEM or Enterprise Agreements but retail and
>> one offs are not great business sense.)[/color]
>
>
> Nice try but it's still a rip off and the scam is predicated on the
> purchaser's ignorance.[/color]

Bull****! You're the running a "scam" based on the purchaser's ignorance.

Hence this and other newsgroups are full of[color=blue]
> complaints.[/color]

About what? Being ripped off by scammers like you?
Figures!