On Thu, 12 Jun 2008 01:14:19 -0400, jim wrote:

> "caver1" <caver1@inthemud.org> wrote in message
> news:48508a2d$0$4262$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>> jim wrote:
>>> "caver1" <caver1@inthemud.org> wrote in message
>>> news:485084a4$0$4250$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>>>> jim wrote:
>>>>> I have been chatting with people about my frustration with getting
>>>>> simple stuff to work "out-of-the-box" with Linux.
>>>>>
>>>>> Things like simply plugging into a network and being able to browse
>>>>> XP folders on a peer to peer XP network (that means no server and no
>>>>> authentication needed) that are not password protected. Still don't
>>>>> have an answer to that one....
>>>>>
>>>>> But, yesterday, I ran into a shining example of one reason that FOSS
>>>>> will never work for small business (which is MUST to be able to
>>>>> legitimately challenge Microsoft's monopoly).
>>>>>
>>>>> While I was testing some software in a Linux environment, I came
>>>>> across an area in which it would not work as advertised by the
>>>>> authors. I raised some polite concern (really...I was polite) about
>>>>> the problem in a user forum specific to this software, only to be
>>>>> told politely to rtfm.
>>>>>
>>>>> I re-rtfm. The problem persisted, so I raised my concerns again.
>>>>> Again I was told to rtfm. Again I re-rtfm and returned with the
>>>>> same questions that were unanswered by the manual.
>>>>>
>>>>> This time I was politely informed where I could reach the authors of
>>>>> the software. I went there and we went through the whole rtfm,
>>>>> re-rtfm loop another 2 or three times until they finally asked to
>>>>> see my data. I sent them my data files.
>>>>>
>>>>> In about an hour, they confirmed that there was a problem. Great!
>>>>> Now they'll jump right on it - because everyone wants their code to
>>>>> work like they say it will, right?
>>>>>
>>>>> Well, not really. I offered to help where I could (sacrificing a
>>>>> goat, providing beer or money) but was told that the only help
>>>>> needed was to fix the code. Unfortunately for me, I don't know C
>>>>> coding - so I am SOL.
>>>>>
>>>>> Small businesses (which are 90+% of all businesses) are called
>>>>> "small businesses" because they are small. This generally means no
>>>>> in-house programmers. So, small businesses are at the mercy of the
>>>>> coders that provide the software that they run on.
>>>>>
>>>>> In this instance, I am at the mercy of these coders.
>>>>>
>>>>> As nice as they are, this "I'll get to it when I can" attitude is
>>>>> just not acceptable to small businesses. They lose market share.
>>>>> They lose customers and they lose money when software doesn't work
>>>>> as advertised in tfm.
>>>>>
>>>>> This is why FOSS just doesn't work for the majority of businesses
>>>>> (which are small businesses).
>>>>>
>>>>> While I move on to look for proprietary sources to replace the
>>>>> broken open sourced software, I am again reminded that the FOSS
>>>>> movement still "just doesn't get it" where small business is
>>>>> concerned.
>>>>>
>>>>> If it doesn't affect your earning a living or some other important
>>>>> aspect of your life, FOSS may be just fine. But, if its important,
>>>>> its important enough to pay to have it done right and supported.
>>>>>
>>>>> jim
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Why don't you preach to you're believers. After all you really don't
>>>> want the truth.
>>>> I have no problem with Linux cooperating with MS. But try to get MS
>>>> to cooperate with Linux that's another story.I really think you need
>>>> to talk to Dennis, Hadron, and Jeff Glatt. I do have my own "small
>>>> business" and have had for 30 years. Go some where where someone
>>>> wants to listen to you. caver1
>>>
>>> I'm willing to listen and I have tried everything I have been told to
>>> try.
>>>
>>> Do YOU have the answer to getting a clean install of Linux to connect
>>> to XP shares (that are not passworded) on a peer to peer XP network?
>>>
>>> I'm listening.....
>>>
>>> jim
>>
>>
>>
>> Why don't you ask MS why they won't cooperate with Linux. The only
>> times I had problems was with MS sharing with Linux not Linux sharing
>> with MS. I have always found it easier to share between Linux machines
>> than between MS machines. Connect a MS machine to a Linux network and
>> Linux lets MS see the network. Connect a Linux machine to a MS network
>> and you have to work to get the MS network to let the Linux machine in.
>> So is it Linux or MS?
>> Go preach to your own believers. :Q
>> caver1
>> caver1
>
> You could have just said that you didn't know.
>
> jim

smbclient -L host (list shares)
nmblookup -SM--workgroup <YOUR-WORKGROUP> (list master browser)
mount -t smbfs -o user="usernam",password="password" \\host\share /mnt/
point (mounts windows share if you can mount it as cifs)
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