> Twayne

I am Twayne: I did not write what's below. It is misquoted by someone
apparently ignorant of such things.

Since the dummy trying to pose as me knows so much, I wonder why he
didn't post a solution? 3rd party apps are the easiest, but it CAN be
done without them by basically turning off/moving the PF, starting in
Safe Mode, and defrag the hard drive, then turn the page file back on
and set it up. Once the files are defragged and contiguous, then the PF
will have to be the same and will be the same; contiguous. Caveat: If
you're not familiar with how to do this effectively and moving the swap
file around, don't do it; you'll have less than satisfactory results.
Better to use a trusted 3rd party app.

HTH

Twayne, the real one.

>
> That's why you should ignore "MS's defrag will tell you it's not
> needed."

Untrue: MS's defrag will indeed tell you a defrag is needed, when it is
needed and is causing too many waits during accesses.

You should select View Report and look at the real situation.

Yes, assuming you're talking about Defrag's report. BUT, you will still
need to be experienced enough to know whether the fragmented files are a
problem yet or not.

Depding on what I'm doing, I defrag monthly. But, if I'm doing
something that creates zillions of temporary files such as design work,
or especially video editing and rendering, I do so more often. Video
work in fact requires a defrag every day, sometimes more often,
depending on what's going on with any particular drive. Those are good
reasons to keep a separate working partition for design/video etc. types
of work; they defrag faster and don't mess with the boot drive much.
It's a matter of learning your machine and experience, mostly.

> However, it's not just a matter of frequently accessed files. You will
> normally not need to access System Restore restore points but if left
> fragmented their size, will on a disk with limited free disk space,
> cause fragmentation of other files, which are in active use.

Existing Restore Points will have zero impact on fragmentation.
Fragmentation only happens when data is written TO the drive. The total
space used for restore points, although excessive IMO, is limited and
they do not grow uncontrollably.
>
> It's questionable whether you want any Norton product on your
> computer. Perfect Disk is I suspect more highly rated but there is
> really no need to pay for a third party defragmenter.

It's none of your business to comment on what anyone else had decided to
use on their computers. I'm sure I could say the same about some of the
apps you use too, but even if the opportunity arose and you asked for
assistance, I wouldn't tell you to trash it unless it was actually rogue
or malicious somehow.
Norton, BTW, has an excellent ability to open up the area where a PF
wants to live, and makes it easy to create a continguous PF. Norton's
defrag app is also far form the only feature provided by their software
package; in fact, it's a small part of it. Symantec's Norton Ghost is
pretty decent as is their firewall app. But you don't know that because
you allowed Norton to slow down your computer by bad setups and probably
have no idea what it's capable of. That's fine with me. The only app
I'm using right now is Ghost, but it's a great app with True Image
running a very close second. But you won't know that either because of
your parrot/misattribution mentality.

Learn to quote properly. Flame away; I won't be wasting ether on you
for awhile to come.
>
>
> Twayne wrote:
>>> That is one of the nice things about some of the third-party
>>> defraggers like Diskeeper and PerfectDisk. They give you choices
>>> between defragmentation strategies based on things like frequency of
>>> access or high performance, etc.
>>>
>>> "Gerry" <gerry@nospam.com> wrote in message
>>> news:uvmFDKTuIHA.6096@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>>>> Bill
>>>>
>>>> You can have two different scenarios. A preponderance of greatly
>>>> fragmented files that you never access and greatly fragmented files
>>>> that you frequently access. In generall you are more likely to see
>>>> the second scenario. The numbers game is not a good guide on the
>>>> need to defragment as it fails to distinguish between important
>>>> files and those which do not matter.
>>
>> From what I've read, so does MS. That's why apps like NOrton can
>> report say 33% fragmented and tell you to defrag, but MS's defrag
>> will tell you it's not needed. Supposedly it looks at the how often
>> accessed flags. I've never heard of anything that determines how
>> "important" a file is to anything; not sure I'd trust that sort of a
>> judgement to
>> software.
>> My 2 ¢
>>
>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ~~~~
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Gerry
>>>> ~~~~
>>>> FCA
>>>> Stourport, England
>>>> Enquire, plan and execute
>>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~